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Would these sound exactly the same?

Les filles se parlent. Les fils se parlent.

Would there be any difference in the pronunciation?

July 16, 2017

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    Fille is pronounced like /fij/ (feey)

    Fils is pronounced like /fis/ (fees)

    July 16, 2017

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    Yes, but the next word being se would add an s sound to filles when said together, wouldn't it?

    July 16, 2017

    [deactivated user]

      They are two distinct words so it doesn't matter.

      It doesn't change anything because the two sentences would be different.

      Les filles se parlent. /le.fij.sə.palʁ/

      Les fils se parlent. /le.fis.sə.palʁ/

      July 16, 2017

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      Thanks!

      July 16, 2017

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      lay feee vs. lay feece. an approximation of the sounds. fils has a shorter vowel length and pronounced 'sss' at the end. filles is simply 'fee'.

      July 16, 2017

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      Wouldn't the se after filles makes it also sound like feece when the whole sentence is pronounced?

      July 16, 2017

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      there is no 's' sound at the end of filles-it is silent. lay fee se parle. vs lay feece se parle. one 's' sound vs. two consecutive 's' sounds.

      July 16, 2017

      https://www.duolingo.com/MarcD50

      You need a 'y' sound at the end of 'filles'. Fee-y(uh).

      Even with a liaison, we would still hear the difference.

      Les filles à papa = lé fiy za papa

      Les fils à papa = lé fiss (z)a papa

      (The liaison with 'fils' is most often ignored, to facilitate the pronunciation.)

      July 16, 2017

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      Oh, I didn't realize the "yuh" sound was so pronounced on fille. The male voice on DL overemphasizes all word endings so I never know which are how it should really sound when spoken and which aren't. Thanks!

      July 18, 2017

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      The male voice has a slight accent from Southern France. This is why I put the 'uh' part between brackets. It is a regional thing.

      • North: lé fiy' z-a papa
      • South: lé fiyeu z-a papa

      (This time I use the value of the French letters to indicate the pronunciation, because English syllables only give a rough idea.)

      July 18, 2017

      https://www.duolingo.com/jenshero

      Roughly. But the 's' sound in '..fils se..' would last a little longer, due to there being a pronounced 's' on the end of 'fils' already. However, if spoken very quickly, the sentences would sound the same.

      July 16, 2017

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      Thanks!

      July 16, 2017

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      De rien!

      July 16, 2017
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