https://www.duolingo.com/AndreMilke

How do I know if I am proficient in english?

It is a recursive question for me. When should I stop to learn English? I know I'm not going to stop to practice and make involved with the language. I'll continue reading books and watching videos in English. But Is my English grammar already enough? Can I start to learn a new language?

July 18, 2017

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https://www.duolingo.com/JhoyAscari

I think that you should try to maintain a informal conversation with a native, if you could speak fluently and without think too much, then you can move to another language. How you can see, I'm in a intermediate level in english, soo this sentence probably have some errors.

July 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreMilke

I think there is no problem with some errors or mistakes. I believe we must know a language enough to exchange ideas and communicate. I agree with you, it can be a great way to measure the progress.

July 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/JhoyAscari

Yeah, mostly people try to be an expert in the language that is learning, but sometimes we are not even free of make mistakes in our own language. I think if we can comunicate with other without problem, this is enough, unless if you need this proeficience in your work or something like that.

July 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/God_Trunks

THIS. Exactly this. Somebody please give this man a cookie!

July 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreMilke

Totally agree with you

July 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/EliederSousa

Try to discover your CEFR level.

July 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreMilke

Do you know any test or exam online to take?

July 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreMilke

I took this exam: http://www.languagelevel.com/english/index.php My grade was: Congratulations! Your level is C1 (advanced) C1 This is approximately equivalent to a pass at CAE, an IELTS band score of 7.5 or 100 at TOEFL iBT

Time taken: 3 minutes, 54 seconds

July 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/EliederSousa

In this test I got a B1 level and I think it's correct. I have some difficulties with past tenses, and I need a more rich vocabulary. Perhaps Duolingo could have more lessons to adverbs, it's a very important topic!

But CEFR needs to be presential I guess.

July 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreMilke

Yes, it is just a little example how the exam works.

July 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/JeanLuks

I did this exam: Your level is B2 (upper intermediate)
This is approximately equivalent to a pass at FCE, an IELTS band score of 6 or 85 at TOEFL iBT. Time taken: 7 minutes, 60 seconds.

Thanks for share this link with us. Congrats for your score!

July 24, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/luissantosi3

English are the world language! And you know very well when your english are fluent: When you can talk with natives or english speakers fluently, withouth "embromation". You should never stop to learn, because the life is this: a continuous improvement and training constantly. About to learn a new language, I think that when you're ready, you can learn. Good lucky for you!

July 18, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreMilke

I see, my concern is about when to stop learning formally. I mean stop to buy grammar books and read them.

July 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/God_Trunks

You should take a look at CEFR (Common European Framework of Reference for Languages).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages#Common_reference_levels

Then you should try some tests to see in which level do you are. You can try one at the Duolingo Testcenter ( https://englishtest.duolingo.com/ )

You can also rate your four main skills with simple questions:

  • Reading: "Do I understand 99% of all the content that I read in English?"
  • Writing: "Can I write without doing mistakes? Do I know words enough to express myself in a similar manner than in Portuguese?"
  • Listening: "Can I watch any video without subtitles and understand 90% of the content?"
  • Speaking: "Can I have a nice conversation with native speakers, without the feeling of running out of words? Can the other person understand me well while I speak?"

I use those questions to measure my skills. I'm still lacking in "speaking", but I know I can do better.

If you have free time, you can always learn a new language.

July 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreMilke

I see, but I have a concern about learning more than one language at the same time. Do you see problem with it?

July 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/God_Trunks

There is no problem at all. You just need to avoid learning two languages of the same family (English and German, Spanish and French) at the same time, because you can mix them in your head.

But if you have different levels between them, there is no problem. I'm learning English (C1) and German (A1) at the same time. It's impossible to mix them now.

Your main concern must be to allocate enough time to study both languages. If you now use 1h a day to study English, then you will need one more our to study the other language. Or study in alternate days.

But it's very easy and fun. You should give it a try.

July 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreMilke

Thanks, I'm in doubt what language I should learn. Here, in my region, there are a lot of german descendants, but the Spanish could be a good option too.

July 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/God_Trunks

Why not both? German will demand you a lot, but Spanish is very easy and quick to learn. If you really want only one, I think Spanish is better because of Latin America. You will learn fast and son you will be able to learn German.

July 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreMilke

Congrats bro

July 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Thayani27

do you know all these tenses?
Infinitive
Simple past
Past participle
Present Participle
Present
Present continuous
Simple past
Past continuous
Present perfect
Present perfect continuous
Past perfect
Past perfect continuous
Future
Future perfect
Future perfect continuous
Conditional present
Conditional present progressive
Conditional perfect
Conditional perfect progressive
Present subjunctive
Past subjunctive
Past perfect subjunctive
Imperative
Gerund
Reported Speech and all modals, the past of the modals and the causative form? If the answer is yes, you don't need to study grammar anymore. Only language peculiarities like phrasal verbs, the difference between lend and borrow, and things such as

July 19, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/God_Trunks

I'm sorry buddy, but this is useless for most of the people. In Portuguese, only Portuguese teachers know all tenses and that amount of grammar. You don't need it to speak well.

Of couse, some tools are very useful to know well, like connected speech, phrasal verbs, a good mastering of prepositions. Those are things that you use (and need) in a daily basis.

July 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/AndreMilke

I agree, I think we have to learn grammar automatically. It can be like our mother tongue. Grammar should be learned by hearing, If you hear something wrong, it should be sound strange and make a type of pain. So, you'll correct the mistake. ;)

July 20, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Thayani27

I'm talking about "books" and grammar, if you know all these tenses you don't need study more grammar, you need study your listening and sentences. Emphasizing that I'm just talking about books and not English spoken

July 21, 2017

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