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Help me with words' order please :(

As we know that after the subordinating conjunction "deshalb" ,a subject-verb invertion occurs .However, I couldn't understand the position of "mir" in this sentence :

Ich hatte Geburtstag, deshalb hat mir mein Vater ein Handy geschenkt.

Why it is not written like that "..., deshalb hat mein Vater mir ..." ? what's the rule that obliges us to put it in that specific position ?

July 18, 2017



Why it is not written like that "..., deshalb hat mein Vater mir ..." ? what's the rule that obliges us to put it in that specific position ?

You can do both. Ask the author why he decided for this and against the other.

Deshalb hat mir mein Vater ein Handy geschenkt.

Pos1. Adverb Deshalb

Pos2. Verb.

Now for Pos3 we have 2 different tendencies, that allow us to do both.

First, if the subject is not on Pos1, then it follows directly after the verb on Pos2. This results in Deshalb hat mein Vater....

Second, pronouns tend to go in front of "non pronouns". So the dative pronoun 'mir' goes on Pos3 and results in Deshalb hat mir....

Both are valid and thats the explanation which enables both of them.

EDIT: In your example deshalb is not a konjunktion. Its an adverb and starts a second main clause that is connected by a komma. A Nebensatz in Perfekt would look like -> ",weil mir mein Vater ein Handy geschenkt hat.". Look at the position of the verb and compare it with your example.


Thanks for the amazing explanation !

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    I've seen German is rather flexible. For example I belive that both of these sentences - Mein Deustch ist nicht sehr gut oder Mein Deutsch ist sehr gut nicht - have the same meaning and are interchangeable. I've not done too much learning into this. Actually thank you, I think that will be my next point of study.


    Your second example is poetical, so I'd count that as "wrong" in normal text.

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      Sorry hehe - I don't know what you mean exactly by poetical? What would be the right order for that example?


      Your first example has good word order -- nicht generally goes before adjectives (such as sehr gut) if the intention is to negate them.

      Poetry sometimes uses unusual word order, such as "and a hardy hound had he" where usual English would have "and he had a hardy hound", which may not be exactly wrong but is rather unusual in common speech.

      Similarly, something like Das ist so falsch nicht is not wrong, but definitely marked and not normal word order -- and I think it should not be used by language learners who do not know exactly what they are doing by deliberately picking that unusual word order and what effect they are trying to achieve with it.

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