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Accusative Pronouns Romanian

Hi guys!

I have a few questions on the accusative pronouns in Romanian. Sorry if I'm repeating something said elsewhere.

1: When are accusative pronouns mandatory? So A: basically can the speaker chose to use one to either avoid the repetition of a word Te intreb = I ask you to avoid saying the first name of the person in a conversation. Or il intreb rather than intreb Andrei = I ask him rather than I ask Andrei. Again, to avoid repetition or for emphasis: Maria il suna pe Andrei rather than Maria il suna or Maria suna Andrei

B: Yes it is mandatory with certain verbs like call or ask?

The reason I'm asking this is that in French with verbs like call or ask it is not mandatory to use an accusative pronoun. Accusative pronouns replace the direct object of a verb and you can chose to avoid repetition or when it is clear who/what the direct object is.

2: Vouă nu vă place nimic.- You do not like anything. This is an example given in the introduction, but it is very different from the others as I understand it, right? This looks like a sentence with using a reflexive pronoun, it's not the same as Maria il suna pe Andrei (sorry for the lack of Accents). Is my understanding correct? If yes, may I suggest that this might be explained also in the introduction as a special case, to facilitate people's understanding.

July 19, 2017

5 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/dnicolae

Hi there. I am not sure if I understand your question or if I am qualified to answer it. You might want to take a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_grammar#Accusative_case . Imo the pronoun is always mandatory, the question is if we need both the stressed and unstressed version or just the unstressed one. I think it is a matter of clarity. If it is clear the object (person) the unstressed version refers to then the stressed version is optional. The stressed version also serves the purpose of emphasis.

August 8, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/dnicolae

For your example 'te intreb', we could have said 'eu te intreb'. The nominative pronoun 'eu' is not needed because the 'verb' form is clear about what pronoun is required (I). 'Eu te intreb' is correct however. We could also say 'te intreb pe tine', or 'eu te intreb pe tine' but 'te' automatically implies the second person singular so 'pe tine' is not required, other than if we want to emphasize/stress.

August 8, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/dnicolae

'Il intreb' is enough only if it is clear from the context that we are referring to Andrei. Otherwise 'il intreb pe Andrei' is required to avoid confusion. 'Intreb Andrei' is incorrect, the unstressed accusative pronoun is mandatory. 'Maria suna Andrei' is again incorrect.

August 8, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/dnicolae

'Voua nu va place nimic' is different indeed because we are now talking about a dative pronoun, not an accusative one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_grammar#Dative_case

August 8, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/NihilSolus

I'm not sure I understand your question completely, but from the examples you've given, it's very similar to English. You would have to clarify what person you are referring to, then you are able to replace the name. In English, you could say both "I ask Andrei" and "I ask him", just like in Romanian you can say " îl întreb", "îl întreb pe el", or "îl întreb pe Andrei". Logically, you would have to identify the person that is being replaced by the pronoun first. If you are asking if the "îl" is mandatory in this case, then the answer is yes. In all three examples, regardless of if I used the person's name or omitted it, the "îl" will always be there to signify if the person I'm asking is masculine/feminine and singular/plural.
Example:"Andrei și Ana sunt prieteni. O plac mult." "Andrei and ana are friends. I like her a lot." If you are talking about a female and a male in the same sentence and later on you want to omit the name, the usage of "îl" or "o" depending on the person's sex will indicate if you are talking about the female or male you just mentioned. In the example above, we omitted Ana's name and replaced it with "o", which shows we are talking about Ana and not Andrei. In short the accusative pronouns "îl, o, îi, le" are always mandatory , however the nominative pronouns "el, ea, ei, ele" are not.

September 3, 2017
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