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De vs Des trouble

During the course I've encountered the sentence "There are prettier zones" which translates into:

Il y a des zones plus jolies

but it turns out I could also write it like that (at least according to Duo):

Il y a de plus jolies zones ("de" instead of "des")

Can anyone explain why do I have to switch from "des" to "de" while shifting the word order?

August 1, 2017

4 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/Midnightwards666

Most of the time in French, we put the adjective after the noun «il y a des pommes rouges» (there are red apples), «il y a des zones sombres (there are dark zones)». However, this rule has some exceptions, which you may or may not know: this includes a BANGS rule. Any time the adjective is one of the following categories, we can put before the noun:

Beauty

Age

Number

Goodness

Size

When we do this for plurals, des becomes de. Jolie (lovely) covers beauty, while sombre (dark) doesn't cover any of the above categories.

Il y a des zones sombres. Il y a de jolies zones.

August 1, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/zaitrancer

There is a list of adjectives in French that require "de" be used when the plural form of the adjective is placed before a plural noun. I'm at work and don't have my French textbook to give you the list, but here are a few of them: beaux/bels/belles, nouveaux/nouvels/nouvelles, vieux/vieils/vieilles. Jolies is also one of them.

Examples:

J'ai des ordinateurs.

J'ai de vieux ordinateurs.

J'ai des lampes rouges.

J'ai de vieilles lampes rouges.

August 1, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Prenom.Pierre

Right, but you have to write "j'ai de vieux ordinateurs" (un vieil objet mais de vieux objets)

August 2, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/zaitrancer

Thanks. I've made the correction.

August 2, 2017
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