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Conjugating "Kein"

Hi! I think I'm somewhat figuring it out (how you would conjugate 'ein' but with the 'k' at the front...?) but I was wondering if there was anything I was missing that might be helpful?

Thanks!

August 7, 2017

13 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/schleppel

"Kein" isn't a verb, so you don't conjugate it at all.

Inflection of pronouns is called declension.

The difference is the form of 'klein" you have to use doesn't depend on the subject of the sentence, but a conjugated verb does:

"Ich habe kein Geld." - "I don't have any money."

"Wir haben kein Geld." - "We don't have any money."

August 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Mr_Eyl

It declines like ein in the singular, and like der in the plural.

August 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/drvdw

By "der" do you mean the definite article? (The plurals of all three definite articles are the same) I wouldn't say they decline the same way.

kein:

  • N: keine
  • A: keine
  • D: keinen
  • G: keiner

der:

  • N: die
  • A: die
  • D: den
  • G: der

If the definite article "der" declined the same way, its inflections would be:

  • N: dere
  • A: dere
  • D: deren
  • G: derer
August 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/stoopher

plural definite article:

  • N: die
  • A: die
  • D: den
  • G: der

kein in the plural:

  • N: keine
  • A: keine
  • D: keinen
  • G: keiner
August 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/drvdw

Yes, they have the same last letter in nominative and accusative, and the same last two letters in dative and genitive. That doesn't mean they decline the same way.

August 8, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/MaxBabel

I'm not sure how you define 'decline the same way'. ein-words and der-words have same strong endings throughout the plural. (That's why any adjectives can keep their weak endings in the plural regardless of the determiner.) That's all that really matters.

August 8, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/drvdw

Declination is defined as the way certain types of words change their form. i.e. the rules that describe how to form the other inflections. The definite articles change their form by removing the last two letters, adding i in nominative and accusative, and then adding the strong endings. If kein followed those rules you would get these words:

  • N: keie
  • A: keie
  • D: keen
  • G: keer

Most people pick up on this, but noting the difference should matter to anyone who wants to be precise.

The word euer has the same endings as other possessive pronouns, but it's important to recognize that the word doesn't change the same way as the others. e.g. it isn't euere but rather eure

August 8, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/stoopher

If you think of all definite articles as "d" plus some ending, it's pretty close.

August 8, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Mr_Eyl

I did mean the definite article. It's just faster and less fiddly to type 'der' on my tiny phone.

My apologies. ;)

August 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/MaxBabel

In the singular 'kein' has the same endings as 'ein'. In the plural 'kein' has the same endings as 'der'.

August 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/GeoSchribs

The definite article in the plural is 'die' not 'der'.

August 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/MaxBabel

The use 'der' in my post and that of Mr_Eyl is obviously intended as a short-hand for the definite article. But if you want to get technical, your statement is also incorrect. The plural definite article is 'die' only in the nominative and the accusative.

August 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/GeoSchribs

Nominative case: der Mensch (the human being) - kein Mensch kann zaubern (produce something by magic). Die Schnecke (the snail) - keine Schnecke kann fliegen (fly). Das Huhn (the hen) - kein Huhn kann sprechen (speak). Accusative case: den Mensch(en) - ich sehe (see) keinen Mensch(en). Die Schnecke - ich esse (don't eat) keine Schnecke. Das Huhn - ich habe kein Huhn. Die hundert Euro - ich habe keine hundert Euro (I have less than 100 €). Dative case: dem Menschen - dieses Haus gehört keinem Menschen (doesn't belong to anybody). Der Schnecke - dieses Haus gehört einer Schnecke. Dem Huhn - reiß keinem Huhn eine Feder aus. (Don't tear out a feather of any hen)

August 8, 2017
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