Came to say the same thing. but it seems that "Zwischen (x) und (y) " means between (x) and (y)
I say seems because I have nothing definitive. Seems to be another idiom that appears from noehere
Whether it's "you and I" or "you and me" depends on the role that phrase plays in a sentence (e.g. subject, object, etc.).
For example, "I saw Paul" (I = subject) and also "You and I saw Paul" (you and I = subject).
But "Paul saw me" (me = object) and also "Paul saw and me" (you and me = object).
Here, you have "between" in front of it, which is a preposition, and prepositions generally take the objective case in English (e.g. "for me, with me, at me, to me" and not "for I, with I, at I, to I"). And so it's also "between you and me" in the objective case, not "between you and I".
In English it's "you and I" when it is the subject - "You and I" are both studying German. It is "you and me" when that phrase is a direct object - "He saw you and me" - or an indirect object - "Linda gave you and me a box of chocolates" - or the phrase is the object of a preposition - "With you and me", "for you and me", "between you and me".
I translated it directly as "between you and me there is a wall" and got it correct. The better translation is ofcourse "There is a wall between you and me". My query is in case we originally had to translate the better version from English-German, how would we know we need to start the sentence with "Zwischen". Is there a rule to it?
I would agree that as far as translating idioms goes, "There is a wall between you and me." is more accurate; however, that said, it is not a direct translation. And, no there is no rule, except to look at the sentence, in this case, and see that it is written thus. Regarding translation of the idiom. Your translation should also have been marked correct! IMHO! IOW, they're both right.
Two reasons. One is the order of the German sentence puts the "you" first. And secondly, in English it's considered "more polite" to put yourself last in the order. But that doesn't seem to be a firm rule in grammar. So if you were originating the sentence yourself you could probably choose.
This reminds me a a lengthy discussion in the Spanish forum about whether "señores y señoras" should be translated as "gentlemen and ladies" (as written) or as "ladies and gentlemen" as we usually say in English. Discussion got quite heated!
zwischen only refers to the dir and mir.
The eine Wand is not part of the prepositional phrase zwischen dir und mir -- the case effect of a preposition do not last until the end of a sentence, but only affect the noun(s) connected to it.
eine Wand here is in the nominative case because it's the subject of the verb ist.
When describing something that is happening at a location (but not moving to/from that location), the location takes the dative. For instance, "the cat is under the table" would be "unter dem Tisch". Here, "zwischen dir und mir" is the location, so "dir" & "mir" both take the dative.
zwischen is one of those prepositions that can take either the dative or the accusative case -- dative when it indicates location and accusative when it indicates the destination of motion.
(e.g. auf dem Tisch = on the table versus auf den Tisch = onto the table; im Zimmer = in the room versus ins Zimmer = into the room).
The wall "is" between you and me -- that's not a verb of motion. So you need the dative case, as you're indicating a location: zwischen dir und mir.
zwischen dich und mich would be something like "to a position between the two of us".
And du und mich can never be correct: two things joined by und always have to be in the same case.
Zwischen dir und mir ist eine Wand.
Yes, it is dative for you and me. The zwischen A & B part makes neither the subject of the sentence. If we change it so that you or I am the subject of the sentence, would my sentences below make sense?
Du bist zwischen der Wand und mir // you are between me and the wall
Ich bin zwischen dir und der Wand // i am between you and the wall
Also, if the sentence is to be truncated to the phrase 'Between you and me', does the translation Zwischen dir und mir still hold?
Why not " Es gibt ... "
es gibt is generally more for permanent existence in a particular place, e.g. "there is a church behind our house" or "there is a lake in the middle of the town".
Temporary existence (a book on a table, a wall between us, ...) generally uses ist.