https://www.duolingo.com/OliverBens1

I need help with the HV course.

HI there. I need help with the course because I don't understand parts of it. Specifically, I'm struggling with the pronunciation (hopefully audio gets added eventually, and hopefully it's something being worked on), but in particular, I'm struggling with sentences like these:

  1. Valo zokli gerpī rhaenis.
  2. Riñi valoti annī rhaenis.

I'm struggling with these because I don't fully understand the word order - how do you work out who is finding who's what - in other words, who is the possessor, the possessing, and the possessed? For example "Valo zokli gerpī rhaenis." means "The man's wolves find the fruit.", but how do you know it doesn't mean "The wolves find the man's fruit" or "The man finds the wolves fruit"? I hope that makes sense.

I'm just struggling with the word order and the posssessives in particular. Even if you can't help answer this question, please give this an post an upvote, or even comment as well :D

Sorry for the long post. Hope it made sense.

8/8/2017, 9:20:13 PM

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Per the notes in the Genitive unit -

As with adjectives, the order of possessor and possessee may be reversed in High Valyrian. Thus, both valo anne and anne valo mean "the man's horse". The order of possessor-possessee is strongly preferred, however, and should only be reversed in cases of overcrowding, or for honorific transposition. As an example of the latter, Daenerys is referred to as Daenerys Stormborn. In High Valyrian, that is translated as Daenerys Jelmāzmo, where jelmāzmo is the genitive of jelmāzma, the word for a violent storm.

8/8/2017, 10:57:11 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/OliverBens1

Ah ok thank you. But how do you know which is the possessor and the possessee? Sorry for the basic question. So far I've just been working it out by word order, but is there another way?

8/8/2017, 11:34:45 PM

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The -o suffix indicates the genitive case, more or less what we refer to in English as possessive. The noun ending in -o is the possessor. Most of the time (but not every time) the genitive noun will come directly before the noun that is being possessed.

High Valyrian is an inflected language, one that uses suffixes to denote parts of speech rather than word order. I have just finished the Genitives lesson myself (I have not done much of the tree) and it seems like there is a preferred word order (subject-object-verb) but that preferred word order is not mandatory and is flexible. Then again, I could just be making too much out of what little experience I have had with High Valyrian.

8/9/2017, 12:27:39 AM

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You are correct: word order is flexible, but HV strongly prefers the SOV word-order. Far more strongly than, say, Greek or Latin.

8/9/2017, 9:35:21 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/OliverBens1

Ah I see! Thank you for your help! :D

8/9/2017, 2:51:42 AM
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