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book or books

"das kind hat keinen Buch" is translated in : the child hasn't got books. I don't understand why they use the plural here. I would translate it in : the child has no book

August 13, 2017

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Qiunnn

That is the more literally translation but it seems kind of wrong when you say it English, everyone would say 'has no books' or just 'doesn't have books'

perhaps this could help, it explains it pretty well : https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/i-have-no-book-vs-i-have-no-books.3046356/

summary of link : " If the question relates to one particular thing, then you usually negate it using no + singular noun. If the question is more general, the plural is more appropriate "

August 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Rakascha

According to my german language feeling, this works for german, too.
"Sie hat kein Buch" . I would think she hasn't one with her.
"Sie hat keine Bücher". I would think she hasn't any at all (eg at home).
I also tried this rule for the examples given in the link, and I always used the same singular/plural in german as was given in the english sentence. except for the last one, where we would use the verb 'arbeiten' instead of a noun.
If I understood you correctly, the english rule is the same. So the two sentences don't match.

August 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Qiunnn

There are more than one translations for every phrase, a lot tend to be more idiomatic than direct translations;thats just how language and translation works, in many cases the direct translation is often incorrect or ill-fitting in English, take for example 'me gusta' if we used the literal translation in this course then we would have to type in 'it pleases me' which would never be said in Enlgish therefore it would be illogical and confunsing to teach only direct translations so idoimtic ones are used. I believe that is what happened here, both sentences (buch and bucher) can mean she doesnt have any books. This doesn't make sense in English but German is not English so you just kind of have to let go of the assumptions you learnt from english and open your mind to grammar and stuff that would make no sense if translated into English,

August 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Rakascha

If I wantet to express she does not have any at all, I would always say "Sie hat keine Bücher". For the purpose of learning a language, I would never teach somebody that "she hasn't any at all" translates to "Sie hat kein Buch", it simply doesn't.

August 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Qiunnn

Okay, going to have to disagree with you but if you think it is a misktake then report it

August 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Rakascha

There is no point for me, to work through the english-german course, up to the point of this question - just to report a sentence.
I just wanted to help, giving the point of view of a german native speaker.

August 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RedAngel666

Hi, for my ears it sounds like a wrong translation. "Das Kind hat kein Buch." (singular) is a simple sentence a statement and for my knowledge it isn´t a phrase. So it should be translateted to "The child hasn´t got a book.

regards Angel

August 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Rakascha

If the teacher asks Susi to read a passage, and someone says "Sie hat kein Buch". It's a valid sentence. But it refers to a single book.
The only sentence I can come up with for using the singular and meaning all books is "Sie hat kein einziges Buch" (not a single one).

August 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RedAngel666

Hi Rakascha, I agree with you. regards Angel

August 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MaxBabel

What was the exercise asking you to do? If it's a translation exercise and you give a 'wrong' answer, Duo will give a 'correct' answer that approximates your answer as close as possible. In other words Duo will try to give you the answer it thinks you were going for. Some of Duo's attempts are rather contorted.

BTW: I would translate it 'The child doesn't have a book.' I've never seen Duo complain about using 'do' in negative statements like this.

August 13, 2017
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