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"She eats neither chicken nor fish."
Translation:Lei non mangia né pollo né pesce.
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Hmmm...Una domanda per i nostri amici Italiani, per favore? Technically wouldn't this mean "She does not eat (either) chicken or fish"? Wouldn't a direct translation of the English be "Lei mangia né pollo né pesce"? or must you ALWAYS use "non" w/"né" ? Grazie mille :)
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"(Lei non mangia) (né pollo né pesce)" =
"(She does not eat) (not chicken not fish)" (as dual negotiations are Ok in italian) =
"She does not eat chicken or fish" / "She neither eats chicken nor fish"
but
"(Lei mangia) (né pollo né pesce) = "(She eats) (not chicken not fish) = Not valid italian!
and
"Lei né scrive né legge" = "She not write not read" (Ok italian) = "She neither writes nor reads"
but
"Non né X nè Y" = "Not not X not Y" =
Not a valid construction, - neither in italian nor in english!
I believe that would be saying she neither 'Eats Chicken' nor does she 'Fish', However the verb 'Fishes' would be 'Pesca' in Italian, So even if that was your intended meaning it would be wrong.
"Non" must be used with "né"
In positive sentences we use "sia..sia" or "sia..che"
Lei odia sia il pollo che il pesce.
In Italian we have DOUBLE NEGATION pretty often.
Something regarding double negation in Italian. http://italian.about.com/library/fare/blfare141a.htm
Adesso, ho una domanda: In a previous example, the "non" was not used. Ne' leggo ne' scrivo - I neither read nor write. Why isn't the "non" used in this sentence?
Because né works as negative conjunction and adverb at same time if it is before the verb. That is the case, then why to put an adverb?
That would not apply to the first né. A conjunction links phrases, so the first né can only be an adverb.
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it will be an adverb when fish will be an adjective and eat a conjuction. but WHY?! :(((
try these examples: https://www.fluentsimple.com/sia-ne-italian-grammar/
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But this lesson accepts the sentence 'Io ne leggo ne scrivo' as correct. There's no double negation.
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In which film?! :DDD
https://www.thoughtco.com/how-to-conjugate-italian-double-negatives-4085225
and it's not ne, but né, those are two different words with different meanings ;)
the sentence is perfect.
No, it's not. Beowulf has them, Shakespeare used them. There are many dialects of English where they're still in common usage, from African-American English to Scottish English.
Grammar is defined by usage, not by what some teacher made up once.
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Just started review of this lesson, suggest everyone read TIPS (previosly called light bulb) for great info prior to lesson, reads same for each level of this lesson subject, but always good help.
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This is inconsistent with another example in this exercise: "Ne leggo ne scrivo," "I neither read nor write." The "non" was not required in that sentence. Can someone place explain the difference? I suppose the difference might be that the neither/nor is referring to the verb in one case, and a noun in the other... If I were to say, "Ne mangia pollo ne beve birra," would that be correct?
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Why has Duolingo not commented on or fixed this!? I got these exact 2 almost in a row in the exercise just now. Can any native Italians help? Does it make a difference that it's first person vs not? There is an answer from awhile ago that says you would Never use the "non" in front of the "ne"s, so is that correct and this is just one of those (many) instances where DL has it wrong?
Thank you! I had the same question, but hadn't thought it thru as you did. Thanks very much for doing the heavy lifting!
That does not explain the difference...ne leggo ne scrivo with no "non" vs "non" mangia ne pollo ne pesce... is it different when ne ne is used with nouns instead of verbs?
In the first example, "ne" modifies a verb. In the second it modifies a noun. You can't use "non" with a noun so you have to use it for the verb in that instance to mark the negative of "mangia". Is that correct?
I'm confused as to why "non mangia ne pollo ne pesce" is also correct for "SHE eats neither chicken nor fish". Surely this phrase does not specify gender? Some clarification would be great, thanks.
It's Correct For Both "She" And "He", And Presumably "It" As Well, I'm Guessing You'd Use 'Lei', 'Lui', 'È', Et Cetera, If Who It Was Referring To Wasn't Obvious Through Context.
I was confused because I didn't see Lei anywhere. I know that you can use this, but in this lesson there is an option usually for Lei or Lui.
a previous almost identical sentence was translated without the "non". Why does it have to be used here
Why is "non mangia" correct but "lei non mangia" incorrect. They're the same thing!
I asked my mom who grew up speaking Italian about this and she said you wouldn't use the "ne" twice... She said she would just say "Lei non mangia pollo ne pesce"
It doesn't say "She doesn't eat", it says "She eats neither" so why is it "Non mangia" and not "Mangia ne pollo ne pesce"?
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"Mangia nè pollo nè pesce" e "Non mangia nè pollo nè pesce" non cambia la traduzione. Se questo è vero, perchè viene segnalato come errore?
The answer to this doesn't have lei in it, yet the the statement states that there is a female involved. Non mangia né pollo né pesce. How am I supposed to know if the person who eats neither chicken nor fish is a female then?
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Cool! It's the first time I see another language with double negation! I thought my native language (Greek) was the only one.
Wait until you come across what I call the Italian positive negation which is almost exactly like the Spanish "no saldremos hasta que el non venga" (we won't leave until he arrives)
A different question for our native italian speaking friends: is there a rule, for those of us who are learning this lovely language, that tells us which direction the accent leans on words that require them?
Basically, apart from the é in perché, just about all the other accents are grave: à ò ù ì
I wrote nè and Duo told me it was wrong and that it should be né (my answer was accepted as correct though)...
See what POVS above said on this. So, "è", meaning "is", would be pronounced as "eh" and "perché", meaning "why" would be pronounced as "perkay". BTW, I may be wrong but I think there is a word "perchè" which means "because", and the positioning of the accents is the only way to distinguish between them in writing though not, of course, in speech.
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without the accent perche would be perk-ah. I pronounced cita like cheeta and my building super exclaimed "chee-TAH." Oh said I. Gratzia Lei.
"She eats neither chicken nor fish." What I wrote: Lei non mangia né pollo né pesce. The translation: Lei non mangia né pollo né pesce.
Well, Dou said that it would be wrong, but it's actually the same...
How is this not correct since it says SHE? I think their could be two correct answers here.
there is a fault in this question's grading: it says i am almost correct and gives me EXACTLY the same answer. copies from the exercise - lei non mangia nè pollo nè pesce
Almost correct! Lei non mangia né pollo né pesce
find the difference :)
I can't believe I did not even know about the existence of é. Thank you very much for your answer. Please explain what is the difference between è and é
The difference lies on the sound. È sounds like e in bed, let, get... whereas é sounds like a in pay, bay, hay... I think this is going to help you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Italian
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Does Italian use double negative words: non, né..né? In another question, using a single negative word is OK. How strange??
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"She" è pronome personale soggetto. In italiano si traduce con "ella" oppure "lei" Perchè viene considerato errore ?
Mi respuesta es correcta dice she es ella en el misma respuesta anterior, puse solo no y me corrigio que era she . por fin? .
This seems like an antiquated way of saying it to me -- rather than saying "[subject] does not do [verb] to neither [object1] nor [object2]", you could simply say "[subject] does not do [verb] to [object1] or [object2]". If the non is required for the former, why would you ever use this way of saying it?
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no, it's "né", not "ne". "ne" without accent is an adverb or personal pronoun, "né" is a conjunction. two different words.
Lei was not included in the correct answer. My question would have been, `what makes it 'She'"?
I was given the answer wrong because I used "Lei mangia né pollo né pesce". I thought it was because of the pronoun, but is it because the Italian uses double negatives in these situations?
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OK, I surrender. non....ne...ne is an idiom. Remember Sono al verde? It was sprung on us outta the blue for I am broke. As a kid I saw idiot in idiom. Chuckle mentally, then move on.
It does not say 'lei' in the answer so presumably it could be he or she?
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There are two answers , and both times it took my heart. I picked Lei non mangia nè...nè, and then non Non mangia né...nè. Sooo, where is the correct answer?
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I can't understand : why is it "ne leggo ne scrivo" with one negation but lei NON mangia NÈ pollo NÈ pesce with two negations? I already asked but got no answer.
Not to beat a dead horse (124 comments on this already) but didn't see an answer that explains why the sentence is not preceded with "Lei"?!
I cannot use a cent marks on my phone app responses so andwers ehere they are missing should not be marked wrong.
It never taught me "Ne" in the lessons, I googled it as it never came up and from my understanding of what I read, it is just to avoid repeating the subject of the sentence? Why is it used before the first noun then? Surely "Lei non mangia pollo ne pesce" would be ok?
Wrong sentence. Ask :Chi non mangia ne pollo ne pesce? Lei, Lui, un animal???? Wrong
Why is non used here. In the question, there is no mention of it at all, except neither.
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While I got the answer correct, duolingo tells me I used the wrong accents when, in fact, my answer was exactly the same with the correct accent usage in "né".
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The answer given in the discussion section, does not mirror the three answers available to me. I was going to ask how it determined 'She' - but only because 'Lei' is omitted in the answers available to me, other than an incorrect answer.
If the answer didn't contain "Lei", It could have also been "He", It'd be inferred from context.
You can, There's nothing stopping you, If you tried that and it wasn't accepted, It was most likely a bug, And I'd recommend marking an error for "My answer should've been accepted" if it happens again.
I am from Sweden, so i learn Italien with english translation. I got this first and it was rigth from you when i do it again it was wrong, why?
The 'correct' answer doesn't identify who doesn't eat chicken or fish!
in english 2 negatives make a posative, , so is she does not eat either or then she does eat them,
WOW, 3 negatives. She doesn't eat neither chicken nor fish. In English it would be She eats neither chicken nor fish. Of course in English double negation negates the negation. :)
I believe that a lot of people need to understand that a language belongs to the society that originated it and that just because certain aspects are different from one's native tongue has no meaning. Double, triple, quadruple negatives. Meh! Language is learned, shared behavior. I don't think that it changes simply because foreigners criticize it. Dive in, learn how they do it. The standard is whether it works in their society.
So... In Italian this is the standard form to say such as sentence? It would be the equivalent in French of "Elle ne mange pas ni de poulet ni de poisson". I can understand the construction, just needed to know it.
It is obvious that you understand. Some constructions are more difficult, like the “positive negative” something like”aspetto fino Che lui non arrivi” “I wait until he arrives” I have been searching for an explanation. It is the same in Spanish “Espero hasta que non venga “
i like duolingo but i don't like their methods. I think they should be more fun.They should make games you can urn
If ne' means neither and nor, non is superfluous. Thus the sentance in English should be She does (not) eat neither chicken nor fish. It's a wonderful tool (Duo) but painful when such crap screws up my learning.
"She doesn't eat neither chicken nor fish", Despite being a more literal translation of this, Isn't proper English.
This is too much a trick. Considering the answer desired it should state "She doesn't eat either chicken or fish"
That's also proper English, But no more literal a translation, As "Né" is a negative, To say "Either... Or..." you just put "O" where the "Or" would be, From what I can tell, Italian doesn't seem to have an equivalent to "Either".
