https://www.duolingo.com/Midnightwards666

-ness... where's the pattern in French?

In English, we have some words like happiness, sadness, randomness, laziness, tidiness, weakness etc... we can add -ness to turn such adjectives into nouns. Of course we have some irregularities, but in general we can follow this rule. It's often used even to make up new words. It's also a way for non-natives to make themselves understood, even if their usage it is not necessarily correct. However, in French I have not found any common pattern and it's making it really difficult to ask ''how \adjective/'' questions, because in most cases I don't know the word I need.

-esse and -eur seem to be closest... hauteur, longeur, largeur, profondeur, lourdeur, chaleur, vitesse, faiblesse, justesse, tristesse, paresse etc... but is there any way to make a good guess or even create a new, as easily as we can in English?

August 22, 2017

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https://www.duolingo.com/marcnu1

-itude ex: longueur > longitude largeur > latitude

-ume ex: amer > amertume

-oure ex: brave > bravoure

-ure ex: moisi > moisissure

https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/-itude

August 22, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Midnightwards666

If I don't know the word, what would be my best guess? In English, we turn adjectives (sad) into abstract nouns (sadness) by adding -ness, and it works for a large percentage of adjectives. How can I do the same in French? Or do I have no choice but to learn all and memorize?

August 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/marcnu1

Well, it's not like it's a crime. But if the modified word doesn't exist and the properly modified word exists, it will feel weird.

In some cases, it is more or less tolerated as it is useful to do that kind of convertion even if it isn't proper.

That being said, while in English the transformation in -hood and -ness are rather obvious, in French those transformations are often much less obvious.

August 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Midnightwards666

Hm, that won't be easy. Okay thanks.

August 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Prenom.Pierre

Voici quelques années une ministre française (ex-candidate à la présidence de la république) avait un peu attiré les moqueries en utilisant le mot "bravitude" lors d'un voyage en Chine. (brave / bravitude... hélas, en français on possède déjà bravoure, mais le mot a eu du succès et a été amplement commenté et repris parfois avec ironie et parfois non, et les humoristes ont joué à créer des mots en "itude" par dérision)

August 22, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Midnightwards666

C'est une bonne idée si je ne sais pas dire un mot ?

August 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/jytou

Les gens comprendront probablement, et vous corrigeront. L'essentiel est quand même d'être compris, même si on ne connaît pas le mot! :) Si ça ne passe pas, il suffit d'essayer d'autres suffixes (-ume, -eure…), l'un d'eux sera probablement le bon! :)

August 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Midnightwards666

C'est une bonne réponse, merci :)

August 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/brunogee

The problem in learning another language is that the logical is different. Because people is different, culture too. In fact, it is not a real problem, it's what we call diversity. That's make our planet so rich. Learning another language is like travelling : it is a way to discover another pattern of thinking, new believes...

August 23, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Midnightwards666

Staying on topic, this particular issue in terms of French learning unfortunately is a problem at the moment, because it's causing difficulties and speaking blockages. I asked here in search of help.

August 23, 2017
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