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Tree 2.0!

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Goed nieuws, allemaal!

After a year and a half of work, the Dutch Tree 2.0 is finally ready to be A/B-tested. This means that 50% of you should already see the new tree. We’re very proud of it and think it is a huge improvement over the original course, which was launched in the summer of 2014 as the first Incubated course for English speakers. Some of the new features:

  • Over a thousand new words.
  • Many thousands of new sentences. We tried to be thorough when adding translations, but of course there will be some answers missing. Use the report button to let us know.
  • Smaller skills (max. 6 lessons) with smaller lessons (max. 6 new words).
  • More grammar-specific skills with Tips & Notes, especially early in the course: niet vs geen, je vs jij, word order, etc. Tips & Notes are unfortunately not available on your mobile. We will try to compile them all into grammar posts on the forum.
  • Many changes in the order of skills. Some small, some large.

Tree 2.0 FAQ

How long will the A/B test last?\ We don’t know, it depends on how clear the results are. Hopefully no more than a couple of weeks. This is not our call, by the way: the developers interpret the data and make the decision.

Will I lose my progress from the old tree?\ No, Duolingo will remember which words you already know. However, you will lose your trophy if you have it and most skills will require you to take one or more lessons with new words.

I want to try the new tree right away, can you put me in the test group?\ No, we are not able to move anyone between test groups. If you want a sneak peek, you could make a new account and hope for the new tree.

Can I do anything to help the new tree pass the A/B test?\ Whatever you do, it is unlikely to have a statistically significant effect on the results. However, the test mostly measures retention rates. So if you get the new tree, don’t get intimidated or discouraged. Give it a fair chance!

Are there bonus skills in the new course?\ No, we are still not able to add bonus skills.

What about the Words tab or the Fluency meter?\ We are not in a position to add these features to the website.

Where can I give feedback on the new tree?\ We will be reading this thread. For comments about particular exercises, use the report button.


Veel leerplezier,

Team Dutch

1 year ago

163 Comments


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This is brilliant news. I would love to do it but I don't seem to be in the test group:(( I hope the testing goes quickly. I regilded my tree a few months ago and would really like to go further with Dutch. Thanks for your hard work :) Looking forward to the general release...

1 year ago

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~120 incomplete skills... yay!!! :-D

1 year ago

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It might tide you over until Czech or Korean!

1 year ago

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Is that 120 more skills added?

1 year ago

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No, many of them simply have a new lesson or two in them, for example... I haven't really counted the completely new skills yet, and I can't remember how many skills the old tree had anyway :-) /edit: roughly half of them are new

1 year ago

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Hello, fellow 29-flagger! @.@

Nice levels. :D

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Oudeman

Disappointed I didn't get the new version. I've been doing the same 'ol Dutch exercises for about 3 years or so now and I'm severely burnt out on it. Looks like they would give the new version to the ones who have been on the old one for a long time. In order to keep us practicing. I've started another Dutch account. It has the new version on it. This is the account I use. Hate to lose all I've worked for over the years but I came here to learn some Dutch not be test data. I don't understand what is accomplished by an A/B test if you force B to quit and become an A.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/legalskier

I think it is helpful to reinforce some skills which I know, but have not yet mastered. We all learn differently, right?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tina_in_Bristol
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I think the point was that when you have done nothing but reinforce "some skills which you know" for the past two or three years, you are, in reality, no longer learning anything. It's not a question of "not finding it helpful" to reinforce skills already learnt - on the contrary, it is essential. But this needs to be balanced with a measured introduction of new material, otherwise you can fool yourself you've been "working hard" at Dutch for years, when you haven't learnt a single new word.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FritzGraven

Try Memrise Dutch, it's split form Dutch 1 to Dutch 7. So if they update stuff you don't have to begin from scratch. I also like the lady voice better in that course because her pronunciation is more clear than the man in Duolingo.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Yurell
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I tried Memrise, and found it incredibly tedious: it wouldn't accept semantically identical responses, it had to be the one response, word-for-word and letter-for-letter that they wanted

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FritzGraven

Your Dutch is much better than mine, so memrise is easier for me. The guy in the duolingo course mumbles Dutch, so it's harder to follow. If heard Dutch on the street and on news websites and I find the same thing, some people speaking Dutch clearly and others mumbling and swallowing their words.

9 months ago

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Tadaa :-D

That was incredibly refreshing, very enjoyable, a true pleasure!

1 year ago

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Glad to hear that!

1 year ago

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Well done )) I remain envious! But I am not sure that I have time anyway. I am branching out into real world language learning and have signed up for both Mandarin and Arabic which means a trek into Birmingham twice a week. And Russian remains my main online focus. I can understand about half of what I hear now. So near and yet so far...

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That's fantastic bookrabbit, you're truly amazing!!! :-D

1 year ago

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It still remains to be seen whether I can actually learn to speak. Understanding I am good at. It will be interesting to compare the two methods of learning too.

1 year ago

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I feel like I may have found my people in this thread!

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Thank you Team Dutch. I've been waiting for Tree 2.0. Fortunately, I have the new tree and look forward to reviewing and learning more Dutch. The smaller skills and smaller lessons look learner friendly. Thank you. :)

1 year ago

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Thank you very much for the news! When it gets to me, I better work hard to complete it and I might reach level 25 in the process :) I'm sure there'll be many great new words (starting now with "leerplezier" which I assume is pleasure taken in learning - I wish English had that as a word!)

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All this discussion around the forums is making me impatient and itching for it to roll out :')

1 year ago

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"Duolingo will remember which words you already know." So why do I have zero completed lessons in a skill that teaches words like "doei", "hallo" etc. when I had already finished the tree? I don't see a single word in the "Phrases" skill that I didn't already know.

Edit: Sorry, I just realised how whiny this sounds, but I am honestly just confused...

1 year ago

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If you start re-doing topics where you know a lot of the words, the lessons will be very short and sometimes you'll skip several of them in one session, whereas I've noticed that in the later new lessons, where there are a lot of new words are more like the pace we're used to.

1 year ago

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Yeah, I've noticed this as well now. I still get the impression that I'm doing lessons on words that I've already learned on Duolingo. Ah well...

1 year ago

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Sometimes it looks like it's incomplete, but there are one or two new words in that specific lessons. When you finish that lesson, it'll restore your gold.

1 year ago

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Congratulations and thank you for all your hard work! I've been slacking on my Dutch lately, so this is a good reason to get back at it!

1 year ago

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I'm in the test group. Initially was bummed to see my progress had depleted, but in going through the earlier lessons to build my progress back up again, I've been pleased to see the lessons are much more complete! I needed the pronunciation guide when I started months ago! Finally cracked the <<ben jij/jij bent>> confusion. Looking forward to having lessons on the app...one day.

1 year ago

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That's good to hear! :D
Good luck with your studies!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wei-Da

Yesterday I suddenly realized that there is something different with my language trees. After trying it out this weekend, I would like to say it is way better than the previous one. Here are somethings that I really like: (just a couple of example as I still have a lot to finish)

  1. circum-positions. I finished the tree two years ago and have been living in the Netherlands since then. In real life there are a lot of phrases like: Ik kijk om me heen/ Ik ga gewoon daarheen. The 'heen' word from these sentences made totally no sense to me in the first place. Now it is included into the preposition chapter.

  2. Phases. I really enjoy seeing them coming. For a foreigner, it is hard to remember whether it is 'met vriendelijke groet' or '... groeten'. These all take time to solidify. Now the 'vaarwel', 'gefeliciteert van harte' etc. are all included. I am thrilled to practice them purposefully here in Duo. (In really life you can use them, but most likely not frequently enough to get natural with it:)

  3. Separable verbs: For non Germanic speaker I think separable verbs are really a headache. When 'consider' becomes 'nadenken' and in a sentence it becomes 'ik denk er over na' .... Holy man, as I Chinese I find it a torture to always keep in mind that I still owe the listener a preposition at the end of the sentence. Now it is included, I guess learners can be much better prepared.

  4. Directions: They are now concentrated into one chapter instead of being scattered over in the chapter 'map' (if I remember it correctly).

There are still many more merits but I think I should stop the circumlocution. The only disadvantage so far I've seen is the pool of translation is yet perfect. Never mind, a couple of weeks of user input will make it right.

Regards to all who contribute to the new version of tree.

Da

1 year ago

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AHHH! I've been waiting for this for so long and I'm not in the test group! But thank you so much for all of your hard work Team Dutch! I remember when you guys raced your way out of the incubator and I decided to try the course right away. It was so much fun and really paired well with German at the time. I quickly grew to love the Dutch language as much as any other and that admiration still stands to this day. Once I've learned German fluently, Dutch will be soon behind it and it's all thanks to the efforts you've made here. And now I wait to see this new tree's success so I can have it :-)

1 year ago

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I got the new tree a couple days ago and all I can say is THIS IS A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT! Seriously, the organization and length of skills is perfect (or as close as you can be to perfect) at the very least for me. I've already worked my way back to checkpoint 2, avoiding test outs (I've been needing to practice Dutch for a while now). This couldn't have come at a better time and I'm so grateful for all of the time and effort you guys put into this revision. I would even venture to say this is now the best tree available for English speakers at the moment, it's THAT good.

The only thing I wish I could do is give feedback on how the difficulty has changed so far, but because I finished the tree before, and because I'm a Linguistics minor, there are too many things that people find very difficult grammarwise that I no longer do (instead they're mildly inconveniencing but nothing that a bit of intensive study can't deal with). So I hope that this version of the tree is proving helpful all around and not just to those who have finished the tree and are coming back to it.

9 months ago

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My eyes, they are quietly flowing streams, for I am forever unchosen... I appreciate all the work from the contributors! On the plus side, the new course should be more stable by the time I have access to it after the new round of A/B testing and my eyes have dried out!

1 year ago

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May I join you in sharing your sorrow for not being the chosen ones?

1 year ago

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Voor degene die niet in de testgroep zit, voor degene die geschrokken is omdat hij veel lessen opnieuw moet doen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HThgAQksAjI

For the one who isn't in the test group, for the one who had a scare because he has to redo many lessons: (same link) :)

1 year ago

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Dank u. :-)

1 year ago

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Finally updated, so happy I could die! :D

9 months ago

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great you will soon be fluent in DOUBLE DUTCH!!!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DeclanByrne

Fantastic work, Team Dutch!!

I just spent some time checking out the new tree and it's a huge improvement on the old one. The ways the skills have been rearranged and reordered makes a lot of sense to me, and I'm pleased to see that you've added a lot more vocabulary. I'm also happy to see that the culture topics at the end have been expanded too. The "History" topic especially is much more thorough, which is fantastic.

Thank you for the effort you've put into doing this!

1 year ago

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Thank you so much for this update and all of your hard work, David and the Dutch team! I'm thrilled to be a tester for it! Back to work for me once again! =D

1 year ago

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It has also removed a lot of skills for me, but I'm not all that worried about it. It's just a bit of extra practice to test out of the skills and lead up to what's going to be new! =D

1 year ago

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Also, to all that have the updated tree, I have found something out with regards to the skills "disappearing". If there is one new word in the skill, but in an earlier lesson, it will lock all of the forward lessons until you complete the new word, then the rest will be unlocked up to the next new word or will complete that skill for you. However, you don't get lingots for doing this. Testing out of the skill if you know the new words will still award you lingots. I know they're not worth much, but some still care about that kind of stuff. =) Happy adventuring!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Yurell
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Yeah, lingots only come if the last lesson in a skill has the new word.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ExecThTs

Improvements are always nice to see, but the way this change was implemented is quite drastic. 95% of my tree is now 0/X, although I was about halfway done with the course. I even had to re-complete Basics 2. Right now, only Basics 12, Obj. pron., W. order, and Quest 2. are gold - as in total. Before anyone sees my comment whiny, my problem is not that the skills are not gold, but the fact that almost each of the skills got zero'd totally.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xMerrie
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It's because we changed a lot in the 2nd tree. Don't worry though, after completing one lesson, the skill should turn gold again. :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ExecThTs

I noticed it happening about twice, but for the most it didn't :/

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xMerrie
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It depends a bit on how many new words there are in a skill, I suppose. I can't check for myself, because I don't have the new tree yet..

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kevcom
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I was about a quarter way done tree 1.0 when my account switched over to version 2.0. Let me say that I was very excited about the change and I was able to quickly regild the lessons that I had previously completed. The update makes for a much more thorough and better organized course. Well done team Dutch!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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Thank you!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Apollo5000

The new tree is great! Much better than the last one, which itself was still very good (I made this account just to get access to the new one). There's a much better structure to the course, you've added a lot more words which are good for a beginner to know, and I've just got to the lesson on the modal perfect, or vervangende infinitief which was missing in the last tree if I remember correctly, as it confused me a lot when I saw it used in authentic content that I went on to read after I finished the first try. I'm happy to see an explanation for it now :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_Carillon_
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Thank you for the updated tree. I just moved to the Netherlands so it will help me a lot!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
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Oh dear... I see it still has the health "feature" on iOS... there goes my retention rate! :-(

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
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Fortunately, testing out doesn't require any health :-)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cbr_2015
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Ik zit niet in de testgroep :( maar het lijkt me heel interessant. Ik kan niet wachten om het te proberen. Geweldig werk nederlands team!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Adrian54879

I'm really enjoying the new tree - thanks for this! I'm learning a lot - some of it seems so obvious that I can't believe I didn't already know it. Most times I'm able to test out of sections, but I'm curious about how XP are given. Sometimes I'll test out with three red hearts remaining and get 10 XP, and other times I'll squeak by with 0 or maybe 1 heart remaining and I'll get 50 XP. Just curious how it works. Thanks!

My only other comment/suggestion is if it would be possible to name the sections in both English and Dutch, e.g. "Reflexive Pronouns - Wederkerende Voornaamwoorden," rather than just in English.

I'm a big fan of DuoLingo and I recommend it often. Thanks for all your hard work on it!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cam_and_Alex
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Hi, Riemersma! XP earned from testing out is based off of how many lessons are contained in a skill, not on hearts. We used to get bonuses for remaining hearts during test outs, but that has been gone for a long time. Hope this helps, and tot ziens! =)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Adrian54879

Hi, Cam and Alex, Thanks for clearing that up - I was curious as to how it worked. Cheers!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cam_and_Alex
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No problem. Happy learning! =)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hyacinth3704

Having the skills named in Dutch (along with the English) would be a great idea! :)

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DonutEggRoll
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Awesome! By chance I happened to start the Dutch tree yesterday out of curiosity, and apparently I am a 2.0-er :). So far I am enjoying its extreme similarities to English and German. The fact that it is now longer than the German tree is daunting and I don't know if I ever will finish, but nonetheless it is fun to be learning at least a little bit of Dutch!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bruere06
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After just finishing my German tree I found that my Dutch apples had turned rotten on the tree after a few weeks absence! There is plenty of new vocabulary and the skills are better constructed but I really do miss my old friend the schildpad. Has it now finally become extinct in the Netherlands ? Perhaps the species can be conserved with an intensive breeding program.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lernhase
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I don't have the new course yet, but I am very much looking forward to going through the tree again. Thank you very much Team Dutch for your hard work and persistence. Over a thousand new words, new exercises, more exposure to grammar - all of that is great!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/john.galla
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Delighted to be part of the test group and looking forward to seeing what you've been working on – bedankt! I did experience the lost progress situation that others have spoken about – it would have been helpful to have a pop-up message appear to tell me what had happened, as it did come as a bit of a shock! But thanks for all your work – this is an exciting new step.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/john.galla
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I've also noticed what others have said, which is that lessons I've already completed are going golden after I take just one section, so seems like I should be able to build back to where I was quickly enough – I hope!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WarriorCleberz
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Awesome News! I saw the new tree today, when I opened the Duolingo webpage. It's really a good idea to compose a tree 2.0, I'll hope the other courses can do the same work. At my first sight, the tree is faster.! Nice job Dutch team :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaredlee2003

I am lucky enough to have the new tree and I really love it. I hope it stays!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SimonMarty

Awesome excited to try this out :).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ArthurLace4

I absolutely love the new tree! I was missing new stuff to learn already. Especially, I liked the phrases section. A lot of those expressions, which are quite common, I learned by heart when I was in the Netherlands, so it is really nice for learners to have them in the course.

I would also like to thank the developers. I spent my summer in Amsterdam and I could not be happier to be able to do bijna alles in het Nederlands! Dankjewel

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DancingPlague

This is great! I'm learning a lot more of the essentials, such as negation and stress. This new tree is a major improvement over the last one. Hopefully, at some point in the future, Words and Fluency can be added.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wapuroo
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hey all,

I am very happy about the new Dutch Tree! Of course it was sad to see all the gold go away, but there's so many new skills! Thanks a lot, Team Dutch!!

But one new thing is REALLY bothering me: The sound/voice!

1) the voice is basically "mumbling" so I get a lot of listening exercises wrong even though I slow them down already. I played it to my (native) Dutch colleagues and sometimes they have no clue what the voice is supposed to be saying! 2) The audio is cut off. A lot of times it does not play until the end, so that half a word or even a full word is cut off. It can only (partly) be fixed by choosing the slow voice.

Is there anything you can do about this?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/maunz6

yeah I got a lot of things wrong in the placement test just because of that =/

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cam_and_Alex
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It's my belief that this has to do more with the new website code itself and less with the tree. The Italian audio has been all messed up since the change as well, and sometimes will not play anything at all.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wapuroo
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Oh okay, thanks for the info! Hope it gets better at some point ..

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cam_and_Alex
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Het is geen probleem. Have fun! =D

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/doctortrax
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It's similar in the German tree. Sometimes I have to use the slow version because I can't make out what's being said, or words are cut off.

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/efisgpr
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A thousand more words?!

THANKS! :D

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/amylikesowls

I'm loving working through the new tree, thanks for all your hard work :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/OnkelD
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This is indeed a very WELCOME addition. I have wanted to learn Dutch for years, and while I'm well aware that one of these courses does not make you truly "fluent" in a language--it certainly can help guide you in that direction. I know that some of my statements and/or comments come off a bit snarky but I'm not the curmudgeon I appear to be; often it is a situation of either frustration, or confusion--or often a bit of both! Dank je wel, Team Dutch!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gsc339163

Is this why my progress appeared to reset this afternoon?

See: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/24124696

If so, that's fine, but it would have been nice to know in advance before seeing 90% of my tree disappear! It is frustrating that I would have to nearly start from the beginning without any previous warning.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xMerrie
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Sorry to hear that a lot of your progress has disappeared.
Unfortunately, we did not know when tree 2.0 would go into testing, so we could not tell people in advance.

Like Dutchesse722 said, it is possible to quickly complete the skills! :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/E.T.Gregor
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Do you know if that will put me back on the insanely fast decay rate that you usually get when you test out of skills?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xMerrie
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No, it shouldn't be.
You can get your skills back to gold very quickly. Often when it says that you have completed (e.g.) 2/6 lessons, and you complete the third, the skills will turn gold again.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RaviFernan
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I agree. I was about 60% done (something like 39-40 units out of 64) with the tree before today, and now it tells me I have to redo 272 lessons spread across 84 units. Not a typo! It gives me credit for finishing a total of 70 lessons.

I've had updates in other languages that made me redo maybe four or five lessons, but 272 seems pretty drastic. And it won't let me test out of the four checkpoints that I've already passed, so I am apparently actually going to have to redo everything manually. That, or restart from scratch in order to test out. (Edit: yes, I see that redoing one lesson sometimes gives me credit for two or three in the same unit. But e.g. I just had to redo 3/4 of the "Plurals" unit because of three added words.)

I don't mean to direct any anger at the team--the course has been delightful, and I'm sure you've worked really hard to improve it. (And maybe you don't have control over this anyway.) But I really wish the rollout could have been smoother.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xMerrie
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Sorry, like I said before, we did not know exactly when tree 2.0 would go into testing, so we could not tell people in advance. We also cannot do anything about the amount of lessons that you have to redo in order to turn them gold again. Fortunately, you can get your skills back to gold very quickly (or, it should be like that). Often, only (re)doing one lesson will be enough.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dutchesse722
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If you know some skills/units pretty well, you can test out of them. That way, you'll be able catch up much quicker to where you used to be in the previous tree.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/deguo
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Amazing, I love it already! You guys are the best!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dieharder
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Thank you so much for this. I have been looking forward to the course being updated for a long time. It will be refreshing to learn some new things. Keep up the good work!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ndphyl
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The amount of lessons I have to redo almost make me want to consider deleting dutch and then re-adding it to just do a placement test instead, but I feel like if I re-add it I won't get the beta, so I'll run into the same problem again eventually

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ming888288
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Super! Ik ga nu proberen!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nynthe_

Great news, excited to see the new and updated tree!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Yurell
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I just got the update, it's looking fantastic!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dinnernugget
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So sad to not be in the test group. Here's to waiting a little bit longer to keep learning Dutch!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/keethrax

Going well so far. The flow seems a bit better, and I really disliked the skills with 9 lessons previously (the present tense verb one comes to mind) so I'm glad to see them broken up more. I wasn't terribly far into the old tree though, so my perspective is necessarily limited.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ben400
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This is good for me and others learning dutch!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DatKan

"We’ve updated your skill tree to teach you Dutch more effectively." Thank you for running up to me, laughing, and punching me in the gut! In a Zen-like celebration, I'm giving away all my Lingots.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cian8656

If you find having more to learn a punch in the gut then languages aren't for you

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DatKan

Thanks for telling me how to live my life! 23 lingots for you!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RJG184228

After finishing Dutch 2.0, I took the fluency test at dutchsummerschool.nl and, at least in terms of reading/writing, I tested out at CEFR A2, almost B1. While I've done some work on my own, this is in large part thanks to Duo. Well done, Team Dutch!

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tina_in_Bristol
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Thank you for the tip for the test (though I'm sure I'll get spammed about the Summer School, now). I also got A2, and only a few marks short of B1. I'm not sure whether Duo claims to go as far as B1, so I'm pleasantly surprised.

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RJG184228

Graag gedaan. Gefeliciteerd!

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Adrian54879

Ik keek bij de website, maar ik kan geen vloeiendsheidstest vinden. Moet je aanmelden om de toets te vinden? Bij voorbaat dank!

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Adrian54879

Heerlijk! Dank je wel!

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RJG184228

Graag gedaan!

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JeffHK
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Please, please tell me when this A/B testing period will be over. By the time they release the course to me I will have been hired at the UN to do simultaneous translation from Dutch to English....

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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I would if I knew, Jeff. :(

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/capasarah
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Firstly, it looks cool! I'm glad that it doesn't lose the progress, but it was super disheartening not to have a warning and suddenly see loads of v. basic skills with "0/6" on them. I really don't want to have to spend forever going over opa, oma etc., I want to get back up to speed (and the difficult grammary bits that I was tackling before) as quickly as possible. Will it cause a lot of repeats or will it quickly take us back to the level we were at before? (I only have time for 20xp per day per language at the moment, sadly). The lessons do look super promising, though, and I am glad to see certain things like word order covered!

[EDIT - just scrolled to the bottom of this thread and saw that it does go quite quickly. Good to hear, and very reassuring. Just wish duo had sent us some kind of email to warn us ;)]

[EDIT 2 - for some reason there don't seem to be any exercises where you get to write in Dutch. Is this going to change?]

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ngarrang
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It appears that I am one of the lucky users as of this morning of the new Tree 2.0. Imagine my surprise when my tree that has been completed for well over a year now shows pretty much every lesson needing to be re-completed!

Please tell me the voices have been improved!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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There has been no change to the voice, I'm afraid.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RyanGerry
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I just got the new version and like what I am seeing with regards to breaking out some of the trickier grammar pieces. For example, I was always a little confused between geen and niet and the new lesson and accompanying grammar notes have made this more clear.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Helenzie
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Wow! Thanks for the update. I'm in the test group wooo. Actually, I have to let my streak go, as I have no wifi for a day or two. So this comes at a good time for me - completing dutch tree again will be good motivation when I start again. Thank you for your hard work!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/azevedof
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Congratulations Team Dutch! Unfortunately the 2.0 Dutch Tree isn't available for me at the moment. I'm really looking forward to do all the tree and get a 25 level in Dutch! I just counted 64 skills on Tree 1.0. How many do we have now in the 2.0 Dutch Tree?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kevin687385

If I didn't miscount, there are 124 skills on the new tree. About twice as many!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
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Yay!!! Looks like I've got some work to do again!!! :-D

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cam_and_Alex
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It's good to be able to get back into it, isn't it? =) I'm loving it!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
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It's great so far, yes! :-D Although I've only got one health bar left so I might be forced to hold my breath until Luis decides I'm allowed to binge how I please :-/

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cam_and_Alex
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Just switch to the desktop version! Then you can binge as much as your heart desires <3

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
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Android it is :-)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/carpelanam
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Thank you! I was working on getting all my skills golden in a leisurely way; this will keep me busy for a while! Looks great so far!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jen.gale

cool, but why did it basically erased all my progress?

while i appreciate the constant work on improving the tree, that update kind of crushed my dutch learning spirit. i was two lessons short of finishing my tree in all gold, really proud of myself and looking up print textbooks and then the little update pops up and here i am, starting all over again. cool. adding new lessons (i noticed space, materials, etc.) is cool and all and it wouldn't have been a problem for me to adjust and do it, but with this update it's like i'm starting all over again. :))))))

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LupoMikti
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Unfortunately the way in which the tree updates isn't up to the course volunteers. That's something for staff to figure out. I can see how if this is the first time this is happening to you, it can be a pretty heavy setback. In my case, this'll be my third or fourth Tree 2.0, so I already knew what to expect (only to not end up in the test group).

Basically, there isn't a smooth way to introduce new content (at the moment). You either have the new tree or you don't. I do think that at the very least it's nice that the new tree remembers your previous progress (so you only end up seeing new words and words that need to be strengthened). Seeing skills seemingly 'go away' is heartwrenching for sure, but it's important to remember that Duolingo tracks progress by words, not skills. So no, you're not starting over, but it is going to be a bit more work to get back to where you were.

Ultimately I think a lot of things need to be communicated better by Duo. I've been around since 2013 so there's a lot of stuff I've learned over that time that newer users just simply won't know. Hopefully staff is reading this discussion page as well so they can at least start to think about how to roll out these changes more smoothly in the future.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CianMaggs1987

How do I know if I have the new tree or not? My progress wasn't reset for any of the skills so I'm guessing I'm on the old tree right?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DatRosi

yep

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Meneer_Stanciu

I don't mind the fact that I lost all my progress, I can deal with that challenge. What I absolutely do mind though is that the translations are BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD. It seems as if this tree hasn't been QA tested AT ALL.

Synonyms are disregarded, moving a word around without changing the meaning of the phrase seems to have become a big no-no, hell it even considered one of my phrases wrong because I typed "rhino" instead of "rhinoceros". "Rhino" exists under this form in the dictionary.

It's seriously frustrating, any thoughts as to when this plethora of issues will be resolved?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Oudeman

Disappointed I didn't get the new version. I've been doing the same 'ol Dutch exercises for about 3 years or so now and I'm severely burnt out on it. Looks like they would give the new version to the ones who have been on the old one for a long time. In order to keep us practicing. I've started another Dutch account. It has the new version on it. This is the account I use. Hate to lose all I've worked for over the years but I came here to learn some Dutch not be test data. I don't understand what is accomplished by an A/B test if you force B to quit and become an A.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tina_in_Bristol
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However they selected the testers, it wasn't by how long you've been learning Dutch, or how long ago you completed the tree. I too have been doing only the same old refresh exercises for years, but DID get the new tree, so I think it's just luck of the draw - they weren't selecting by more/less experience. IF you had got the new tree by default, you would have seen a lot of your former progress - AND your "trophy" for completing the tree - disappear too.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/onemoregui

ik heb de neiuw boom op mijn phone*

I have the new tree on my phone. I do not know the dutch word for phone, sorry.

Let me know if I made any mistakes!

Dank je!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Adrian54879

Mobiele telefoon

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cam_and_Alex
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It would be more customary to say "Ik heb op mijn telefoon de nieuwe boom." =)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FritzGraven

Wat van mobieltje?

1 year ago

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Mijn telefoontaal is Nederlands en het zegt "Telefoon" voor mijn applicatie icon.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FritzGraven

Mobieltje is het verklein woord voor mobile telefoon. Meer informele taal.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/OCar3
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Thank you!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/doctortrax
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Any news on when it will be rolled out to the rest of us? I haven't done any Dutch for a few months now, so all my skills are on 1 anyway, and I'd re-do the lessons from scratch to get back into it properly. I've been focusing on German, but I've only got about 20 skills left now, so I'm hoping the new Dutch tree is available when those are done, because I can't wait. :)

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Anne18498

I have been wondering that too. All the previous posts are over a month old and no updates. Even though I was part of the new tree test group, I'm learning Dutch with my sister and she wasn't!! We need to get back on the same page (tree - ha!).

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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I was told to expect 2-4 months of A/B testing. So could be anywhere between two weeks from now (unlikely, I think) to two months.

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/doctortrax
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Dank je wel, Simius! :) Fingers crossed it's sooner rather than later.

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DayScott

I'm looking forward to working on this tree. Thank you.

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chrisp248180

I liked the older version better because there were more typing exercises. I really don't like the word clicking, it's too easy and it's even slower than typing (if you're a good typer). I'd love to be able to turn the word clicking off entirely. Other people might want to turn off typing. So having these things as settings would be awesome.

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tina_in_Bristol
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I assume you are talking about the app version? The web version still has many exercises requiring fully-typed translations. I am a relative newcomer to the App version, having previously only ever used the website. One of the things I find frustrating is that nothing has been done to ensure a consistent level of challenge, regardless which medium you use. I actually find the app, with its word-picking, much easier - but consequently I learn a lot less. It's not at all comparable to having to recall the words without prompts. Sometimes the word-picking even gives away the answer, by having the first word capitalised, so that even if you did not know it, you can see which one it must be. Also several of the candidate words can usually be eliminated immediately. If something random like "paard" or "appel" appears for a sentence having nothing to do with horses or apples, you can safely ignore it.

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hulabella

Any idea when the tree will be rolled out to everyone? I feel like I have been waiting sooo long.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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Sorry, we really don't know. Perhaps you can ask/complain on one of Duolingo's official social media pages...

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Anne18498

Yeah! I'm so glad that we have everyone converted to the new version!! My sister and I are learning together and it was frustrating having different trees. She was a little disheartened that she lost so many golds, but found out that she can quickly turn them back. Never hurts to practice - that is the whole point - burning this into your long term memory - and the beauty of the spaced repetition method on which Duo bases their algorithms. Stay strong everyone - you'll be back to all gold in no time!!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jbullfrog1

I just got the update and I'm extremely disappointed. I appreciate the new words but the removal of trophies and "progress" is frustrating. In the future, can updates that remove landmark checkpoints be a little less drastic? I mean at least give us some award for completing X gold lessons before the rework. It is not only frustrating but the large change to the tree structure is discouraging because it seems like all my progress is lost. Please consider this in the future before such a major overhaul.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xMerrie
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We're sorry that it is frustrating. Unfortunately, we can't do anything about XP, checkpoints, and so on. Luckely, you probably only need to do one lesson for skills you already mastered before (and now not anymore), and they will turn golden again! :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rodentsky
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Ah that explains why I'm somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 through all the activities, and all of the sudden I have a ton of new lessons from previous activities to go through again. I was worried it was a bug. Thanks.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CrisMartinella

You made me panic for moment there! I hadn't use Duo for a couple of days and all of the sudden all my progress was gone! I have to admit the new tree is a massive improvement, a bit of a heads up would have been nice, but really good job though. Cheers!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FritzGraven

Wat leuk! Ik blijven uit de oude boom vallen, ik hoop de nieuwe boom klimmen makliker.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SamoolTheSamosa

If one hasn't started Dutch will the changes appear for them

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xMerrie
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No, only a certain amount of the new users will test tree 2.0. :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/1052268892

I don't know where to start. Am I starting over. Do I have to do all in one day? How many do I do a day? Do I do just a few a day? Very confused..any help is appreciated.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tina_in_Bristol
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No, of course you don't have to do it all in a day - you can do it at whatever pace you used to do it. The tree is different, because new skills have been added, and lots of new vocabulary within those skills, so it wasn't possible to transfer an exact record of your progress, because it's not comparing like with like. However, you will find you DO have credit for already knowing some of the words - especially in the early skills. You may find some of them are still gold, OR that you only have to complete a couple of exercises (out of five or six) for them to be restored to gold. Basically, nothing has changed, except more material, and organised in a more logical way (yeah, I know that sounds like everything has changed!) But the way you use it is exactly the same - only the content has changed, not the method. Just pretend it always looked like that, and carry on. Starting again from the top (first one that isn't gold) it's probably the most logical way, but you can do it in any order you like. I got bored with revisiting very basic skills (top down), so after a while I switched to hardest first (bottom up) and eventually met myself halfway. ;)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Alice120642

Is this why all of my progress is gone?? Most of my things are are saying I've completed 0/however many lessons and now I haven't completed any of the sections. Do I really have to start all over again?? I could have cried when I saw this the other day, I worked so hard to get everything full.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JEaHE

Thanks to everybody who works on this.

1) Initially confusing. An obvious link to what's going on would have helped. 2) Demotivating with respect to progress. 3) Testing out isn't really a viable option for anybody who wants to be sure they've covered all additional (hidden) material and new context. 4) Switching existing users is testing my frustration threshold, rather than optimally A/B testing the content. 5) I'm sure the content will be an improvement, but a more gradual re-introduction may have been better.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hyacinth3704

Just wanted to give a thanks to all those who have commented embracing the challenge of the new tree. When the switch came I hadn't gotten very far so I didn't have to "redo" many skills, and I loved the idea of the new tree - still do! But I'm kind of hitting a motivational wall at the moment, my brain feels like it's too full, and I scroll and scroll down through the long new tree and it just feels like there's still so far to go and it makes me feel like I'll never make it to the end.... but you guys who are being so positive about how cool it is to have more to learn and to come out of it with better language mastery, about how excited you are to have more content, are helping me to keep soldiering on!

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kevcom
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I can related to what you mean by the "motivational wall" with all the new lessons available. I often feel that I'm spending most of my time reviewing old lessons as opposed to learning new ones. And the more new lessons I do, the more lessons I'll have to review. However, I do notice that new vocabulary often comes up during review as opposed to the first time learning a lesson, so it just may mean I haven't learnt everything yet. Kudos to the Duolingo Dutch Team for making such a comprehensive tree!

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lanvin42
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Hello, how do I know if I have tree 1.0 or tree 2.0 ? Bedankt :)

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RJG184228

Look for a lesson called "bathroom." It is only in the 2.0 tree.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeprechaunLily

YAY!!!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeprechaunLily

YAY!!!!!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_BilingualVader_

Tree 2.0 came to me months ago.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/daddydemarco
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Dankjewel!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DuoLingoRu
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Great news, thanks! Is there a way to detect if we are in the new tree's test group?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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This post is old, everyone has the new tree now.

8 months ago