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Ce sont or Ces sont (Tip 3)

Here I go again!

Hope this can help somebody else because at the beginning I was very confused about the word Ce/Ces. Often, I answered wrong some question about Ce in plural sentences. So, lets start!

First of all, we have to understand that Ce could be a demonstrative adjective or a indefinite demonstrative pronoun:

<h1>Demonstrative Adjective</h1>

It always comes before a noun and agree with gender and number with the noun its modify:

Ce: masculine singular (this/that)
* Ce garçon est petit

Cet: masculine singular before vowel or mute H (this/that)
* Cet homme est grand

Cette: feminine singular (this/that)
* Cette fille est jolie

Ces: masculine/feminine plural (these/that)
Ces hommes sont grands
Ces femmes sont belles

<h1>Indefinite Demonstrative Pronoun</h1>

It refers to a noun previosly mentioned, it is impersonal and unvariable. Does not change acordding with gender ou number. Mainly used with the verb être and means it or this.

  • C'est la vie
  • C'est important
<h1>THE ANSWER</h1>

Now answering the title question, the correct form is: Ce sont les garçons
- in this case ce is used to refer something/someone mentioned before, and we can also realize that it is not followed by a noun. It would be WRONG to say Ces sont ... because the PRONOUN Ce is UNVARIABLE.

But we could say something like this: Ces garçons sont petits
- in this case Ces is an ADJECTIVE and it is modified by the noun garçons, so it agrees in gender and number with it.

Thats it! Hope this was clear enough!

À bientôt!


Source: French.about and French.about
Tip 1: Des vs De
Tip 2: De vs Des/Un/Du/De la
Tip 3: Ce sont or Ces sont

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4 years ago

39 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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Great! I just wrote a little article about that yesterday: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/2397786

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xaponeis

Hi Alex, nice post of yours too!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lucija71995

thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xaponeis

You are welcome! It helps me too with english writing about it!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BastouXII
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4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ooOBilalOoo
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A really helpful article ! Thanks !

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xaponeis

Anyone else having troubles using bullets when posting?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BastouXII
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You have to leave an empty line between the bullet list and the last line before it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xaponeis

Thank you guys for the lingots

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Blertissima

Thank you sooo much! I was really confused and to me it didn't make sense why Duolingo would mark it as wrong when i used "ces sont" :D Now I understand :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/faraston3001

Thank you so much for making that clear for me. I've had so much trouble with Ce and Ces till today.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davout

Thanks. This was useful.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Harry_Log

if the sentence is these are the lemons that THEY had used -- is it still ce sont ?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BastouXII
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Ce sont les citrons qu'ils ont utilisés. So yes, always ce sont. As xaponeis sais, ce is an invariable pronoun, meaning it never agrees with anything, it doesn't change (when used this way).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Harry_Log

so when will it be ces sont?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BastouXII
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Never. You can have ces amis sont... Because here ces isn't pronoun, but demonstrative adjective. But ces sont by itself just isn't grammatically correct.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward
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Very good post, and it cleared up some things for me. One very minor correction. You said "Ces is an ADJECTIVE and it is modified by the noun garçons" but it should say "Ces is an ADJECTIVE and it modifies the noun garçons". But that's minor and it wasn't the point of the post, which was very helpful. Thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gtmgianni
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Really useful - thank you!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LovelyLucas

Mille fois merci !

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IsuruKalha

Merci beaucoup xaponeis !!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ajitkanungoe

Very clear, thank you Sir.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mariska1234567

So, just to be sure.... There doesn't exist a plural form of the indefinite demonstrative pronoun "ce"?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BastouXII
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No, by its definition, "ce" is indefinite. It is treated as singular for grammatical purposes, but making it plural would make no sense at all.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/film312

You deserve my kiss!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Naifseer

Thank you very helpful :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/QueenBee312

Thank you! I was just doing an exercise in Rosetta Stone and was completely confused! This totally cleared it up for me. :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/digimus
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Many thanks, I had been wondering!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MaryCarrillo4

Great explanation. I suspect this is something that needs to be practised ad infinitum before it becomes facile.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mark60696

Excellent , very well explained . Thanks.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mahoornasiri

Really useful. thank you :))

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stefanopintus

ok

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zoey141298

I know this is a post from 3 years ago, but it cleared up a lot for me. Thanks!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Soo-soo

me too

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CoreKona
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Precise and useful. Thanks for clearing this up.

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vynetteg
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What are all the definitions of Ce as Indefinite Demonstrative Pronoun? This That These They? Is "those" also an option? You said "Mainly used with the verb être and means it or this". but Ce sont les garçons = These are the boys Ce sont des garçons.= They are boys. DL word definitions (ce Pronoun)

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SusantaC
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Merci. Good explanation.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LaraineLip
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Thank you, this was very helpful!

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/yancywsmith

Very helpful!

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AliMohamed258410

sir , you have just made my day you have no idea how helpful this is thanks !!

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