"I am in the newspapers."
Translation:Io sono sui giornali.
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"sui" = su + i = on the
"Io sono nei giornali" would have been the same as "Io sono sui giornali."
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Yes, but it is different in English. "On the newspaper"would be on the front page, or something on the newspaper that is external to the newspaper. In the newspaper, would be printed inside the newspaper. So, are you telling me that both "sui" and "nei" are accepted by Duolingo for this translation of "in the"?
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Think of how in English we say, "I saw it on the news" and "I saw it in the news" interchangeably. Both are acceptable, but I hear "on the news" a little bit more often.
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It is not exactly interchangeable. I would assume that "on the news" was on TV or a video broadcast and "in the news" is more often referring to a newspaper or news magazine. Still, I see your point. When we are simply, wondering where the information was from in a more vague manner as to whether it were fact or fiction, both refer to the news.
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I have to agree. "I saw it in the news" will usually mean "I read it in the newspaper", and "I saw it on the news" will always mean "I saw it on the TV news broadcast". (In US English, anyway.)
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I agree. Then the sentence should've read, "I am on the newspapers." If they wanted "in" then "nei" should've been an option. The inconsistency is maddening to a beginner. I never would've thought to say "sui."
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You hear "on the news" more often because more people watch a broadcast on TV (or perhaps on their computer or smartphone) than read the newspapers.
is there any difference between using sui or nei? is it just preference? Is one used in certain circumstances?
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I know it doesn't make much sense but how would you say you are standing on top of the newspaper? would it be the same? Sono sui giornali?
The cat is sleeping ON the newspaper. The picture is IN the newspaper. Specifically, the picture is ON page 3. When do you use sui, when do you use nei? Or it doesn't matter? Someone who knows for sure, come and explain it. I don't want to guess.
It is especially confusing as the suggested answer given when you hover over the underlined words is not 'sui' but 'nel'. Not helpful without more explanation.
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It is not "nel + i" but "in + i". There is no "nel + i"
in il giornale => nel giornale
in i giornali => nei giornale
in la tavola => nella biblioteca ("in the library")
in le tavole => nelle biblioteche ("in the libraries")
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To both of you it is 'in' + 'i' that makes 'nei' and 'in' + 'il' that makes 'nel'
'nel' + 'i' is just confusing
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here is a web site that has a good layout and a lot of information on prepositions and other stuff
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Take a look at this chart of Italian Prepositional Articles and see if it answers your question. http://italian.about.com/library/fare/blfare153a.htm
Finally someone I can agree with re correct English , my problem with Duolingo is that I wrote nel instead of sui and was marked WRONG .
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Is there any reason the translation doesn't include the pronoun? Would it necessarily be incorrect to include the pronoun, or is the pronoun part of "sui?"
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'sui' is a compound of the preposition 'su' (USUALLY means 'on') and the article 'i' (pl. masc. 'the')
If the pronoun is not included, you can usually decipher want pronoun is needed by context. Because of the lack of context in this case, it ultimately does not matter whether you use "I am" or "They are".
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As of December 2016, DL accepts both I am in the news/"Io sono nei giornali" and I am on the news/"Io soon sui giornali." As to why the n-e-i form for in/"in," as far as I can tell, there is no preposition "nelli," nor "sulli." "In" becomes nel, nello, nell', nella, nei, negli, or nelle to conform to the noun that follows. Likewise, on/"su" becomes sul, sullo, sull', sulla, sui, sugli, or sulle. This is how I understand them. I hope this helps.
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why not "sto" instead of "sono"? in spanish it would be "yo estoy en el periodico" not, "yo soy en el periodico"!
As I understand it, with Italian verbs the personal pronoun is understood. Hence 'io sono' is essentially the same as 'sono.' Italians will use the personal pronoun primarily for emphasis. But you wouldn't generally say 'I I am...' which is pretty much what 'Io sono' would mean. E.g., prendiamo = we take; it isn't really wrong to say noi prendiamo, but it isn't necessary because the verb gives you all the information about the personal pronoun.
So the literal translation of this is 'I am on the newspapers'? This just gets harder and harder!
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here is a page on the word 'in' (English). https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/in there are dozens of uses that would not be obvious to a non-native speaker. thinking about translation as 'literal' or one to one correspondence can be a trap. try not to take the translations of Italian words too literally. they are just as complex (especially prepositions) as those in any other language. 'su' can in context mean on, about, in, up, to, over, upon, at, for and others that don't come to mind.
Think of saying, in English, "I am on television" or "I am on the radio." Your comment of a literal translation is certainly true, but that's where trying to do a one-to-one translation can get a person in trouble. The tendency, mine included, is to think of one's native tongue as the 'ground truth' for all languages, and therefore to compare translations. This doesn't necessarily work well!
Excellent question, and one I am too much of a novice to answer. I am guessing here, but it may be one of those things that you just have to remember. Perhaps a native Italian speaker will read this thread and give you and me some guidance.
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