"Ikwilhemkunnenzienwerken."

Translation:I want to be able to see him work.

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Stu516623
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How do you say "I want him to be able to see work"? What's the difference here?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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That would be: "Ik wil dat hij werk kan zien."

In Dutch, you cannot say "I want X to do Y" without using the conjunction "dat" and a subordinate clause.

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lettiej123
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Not sure exactly how you would translate that sentence, but the reason it is different is because in your sentence you have used work as a noun whereas in the above sentence it is "werken" meaning "to work", a verb.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Chenmoxin

Not "ik wil hem werken kunnen zien"?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dutchesse722
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Nope, wrong word order. This https://www.duolingo.com/comment/3732817 is the grammar section for Duolingo's Dutch course. #4 is about word order.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Chenmoxin

sadly the page (word order) seems to have dysfunctioned. would u pls redirect me? thanks.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dutchesse722
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I noticed the same. Here's an alternative source: http://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=WordOrder.00

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Monkeyfodder
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What would, "Ik wil hem werken kunnen zien" mean?

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xMerrie
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Nothing, it's an incorrect sentence.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Monkeyfodder
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Does anyone have any insight or resources into why the verbs are in that order?

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MentalPinball
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In Ik wil hem kunnen zien werken

Ik= Subject

Wil= modal verb

Hem+werken= (him working) Direct Object of the main verb ('see')

Kunnen= second modal verb, used in the bare infinitive form because we already have a finite verb (wil)

Zien= main verb

So, if you remember what has been explained in previous lessons, in a main/independent clause the finite verb is placed next to the subject, while all other verbs that correspond/are related to that subject are placed at the end of the clause. Therefore we need to place hem after wil in this case.

Now, werken is also a verb, but it's related to hem. As hem is an object pronoun, werken must be in a non-finite form, in this case I think it'd be a present participle.

I am not entirely certain of why werken is placed at the end, but I'd say that it's because it's not related to the Subject of the main clause.

If we analyse it differently, and say that hem is the DO of zien... Then... What function does werken have? That's something that puzzles me.

In any case, I'd say that zien needs to be placed after kunnen because it's the main verb and because kunnen, being a modal verb, normally goes before the main verb.

Hope this helps, and please, if anyone can explain it better ir correct my analysis, feel free to do so.

Cheers!

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DianaKozlo6

I translated it as "I want to see him being able to work" which is wrong, but now I'm just curious how my translation will actually sound in Dutch.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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That would be "Ik wil hem zien kunnen werken."

It doesn't make too much sense, though.

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Fekkezaum
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This is "I ... him ..." and verbs filling the gaps somewhere: want, can, see, work. How do you tell how they connect to eachother? How do you know that means "I want to be able to see him working" and not any else. Like, i don't know, "I want him to be able to see (someone) working". It doesn't seem obvious.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MentalPinball
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Hi Fekkezaum,

Please read my previous comment (it's rather longish so I don't feel like re-typing the whole thing).

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MentalPinball
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It's a post replying to Monkeyfodder

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iBeRachel
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....and I think this is where I give up Dutch. I'm never going to understand this word order enough to speak it naturally.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xMerrie
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The order of the verbs is the same as in English though.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MentalPinball
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Hi XMerrie,

I'm afraid I'll have to disagree: hem comes after wil, and in English it comes towards the end, right before working.

Cheers!

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hoenink
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Do not give up! Irish is much harder!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kidney_bueno

Yes it is and I come from Ireland! Dutch takes a while. It does sometimes feel like that once you understand something, the next lesson turns the previous lesson on its head. Keep at it! Or try a language school in addition to Duolingo. That is what I am doing.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SeanMeaneyPL
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You ain't kidding! It's the only thing keeping me going with this Dutch malarkey... Go n-éirí an t-ádh leat!

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StrzelbaSt
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Don't give up, you'll get used to it. All you need is experience.

2 months ago
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