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Study Group for the Reverse French Tree.

I would like to know how other people are learning the Reverse French Tree. I am having problems because I do not see any Tips and Notes. I have been doing the following two things. 1) I look for a similar skill on the French Tree and read the Tips and Notes there. 2) I skip each question, write down the answer and copy the answer when the question comes up again. I have questions about certain problems. First, I would like to understand how other people are learning this tree.

September 2, 2017

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JeanneGamache

The same way we learn the others; trial and error. A time honored tradition! I am a retired English teacher who will answer any questions. Also speak French (almost) and Mandarin. Bonne chance!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DreamingOdelia

Thanks for the interesting approach :^) I can hardly wait to perfect it with you as time goes on... Jane, I will eventually come to you for help. I need to get my notes together. Jane, let me introduce you To ML. I hope the three of us will become great friends :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Multi0Lingual4

Hey, E! Haven't seen you around in a while! I just did a quick Google search and came up with this resource that looks pretty promising:

http://www.languageguide.org/french/grammar/.

Whenever I have a specific question, I just Google it or read the Sentence discussions. Those are usually very helpful (although on the English for French speakers tree, as it's hard reading from people fluent in French. Anyway.)

Any particulars you are concerned about?

Edited, as I mixed up the reverse tree and the regular tree. My apologies. Thanks, Sitesurf!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DreamingOdelia

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/5658740$from_email=commentcomment_id=24276748 Hey, ML! How have you been? I found Anne in the link I just gave to you! I was so excited!! She is working on the same tree as me. Perhaps the 3 of us could have a tree celebration together happy dance I know you can do a tree in a week or two. Have you opened a wild life sanctuary for all of your rescued owls? I will have to get moving. Anne is no slouch either. Hopefully school can keep her busy. I know that I am always the one who holds up the celebrations.

I have starred questions in my notebooks. (I am still writing everything down :) I will give them to you tomorrow. I am going back to work. Oh, I almost forgot to tell you. I will submit some clues for guess the Duolingoer tonight. I love being able to do links now. RR helped me. She was a persistent coach. Kinda like a dog with a bone chuckle Later ML :^) https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22047260$from_email=comment


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

"...on the French for English speakers tree, as it's hard reading from people fluent in French."

Can you please elaborate this?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DreamingOdelia

Here are some questions from the Infinitive Verbs. Il sait nager. How does this translate to: "He knows how to swim"? Je veux m'arreter ici. Why is there an m' in front of arreter? I want me to stay here? Il est ici pour y rester. "He is to stay here." What are pour and y for? Je ne me sens pas bien. I do not feel well. What is the me for? Je ne me souviens pas. "I do not remember" What is the me for? Il prend sa retraite. "He is retiring" What is the sa for? Why does Septembre est passe translate as September has passed? Je n'ai jamais eu de petite amie. What is the de for? Nous n'avons jamais eu de chats. Why de and not des? Je suis ici pour vous sauver. Does this mean that someone is going to save me? I am here for you to save?

These are questions from less than two skills. Needless to say, I would truly benefit from some Tips and Notes in the French Reverse tree. This has been a most frustrating endeavor for me.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

You are probably aware that there is a big overlap between the two trees (FR-EN EN-FR).

Most if not all the questions you asked ML have probably been discussed several times on the FR-EN tree sentence discussion forums. Did you ask your questions there?

TipsNotes on English grammar do not appear on the reverse course because we have never found the time to write them (the same team is in charge of both courses).

On the EN-FR tree, you will have to write your questions in French and you'll get, at best, French answers, but be aware that the number of bilingual users to the EN-FR course is extremely small. However, going on the French speaking forums is a very interesting experience and an excellent opportunity to use your French and learn new vocab.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Multi0Lingual4

1) sait can be translated as "knows" or "knows how" (to do something). It's the same way in Spanish with "se".

2) I'm guessing "arreter" can be translated here as a reflexive verb. I will have to research this more, I have not seen this used. Edit: idiomatic pronomial verb.

3) Not sure, will come back and edit later. Edit: "Y" is used to stand in for a place. Not sure why they have both "y" and "ici" in the same sentence.

4) Again, reflexive verb. Will expand.

5) Reflexive verb. Edit: Pronomial verb.

6) Reflexive verb -- to be more precise, I think it's a pronomial verb, which means the French say "he is retiring himself." An example in English, "I'm going to lay (lie?) myself down."

7) Verb tense Edit: passe compose?

8) Because French

9) The French rarely use "des" when it's a negative, I know there's one situation and maybe more, but default to "de" unless otherwise noted. Edit: doesn't change after "etre".

10) Yeah, French is weird on this. Not sure, I'll let someone more skilled tackle it.

Some helpful resources:

https://www.thoughtco.com/french-pronominal-and-pronominal-verbs-1368926

https://french.yabla.com/lessons.php?lesson_id=670

https://www.frenchtoday.com/blog/french-grammar/french-indefinite-and-partitive-articles

https://www.thoughtco.com/se-souvenir-to-remember-1370918

Try Googling your question, there are hundreds of indepth articles on French grammar. Also, check sentence discussions if you can.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lento_Rodriguez

I am down to dates and famille on my reverse tree, I think I should start over though.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DreamingOdelia

Hello Lento! :^) I just finished doing Present Perfect again. Now I will do a new lesson of Verbs Infinitive. Tomorrow I will present a couple puzzlers to ML. Lento, what other sites are you using to learn French? Now I want to do dates and famille again! They look comfortable and fun :) Later Lento :^)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Anneysha7

Hi, Ev! :) I'm glad to have found this post. :)

Writing a quick reply here so that I can return to it later. :)

I used the reverse tree to test what I learnt in the French for English speakers tree. I did the same as you, I would go back to the French for English speakers tree to review the tips and notes and then test myself in the reverse tree. That way, I found that I could remember more of the tree. :)

I also practised grammar online and used reference books whenever I could.

Right now, I am trying to golden my French tree. :) The reverse is next. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DreamingOdelia

You go girl! :^) Bonne unit Anne ;) I just reread your message. Are you saying that you did not get the message I left for you on your casquette question? Also, did you finish your Reverse French tree?

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/5658740$from_email=commentcomment_id=24276748 Now you will be able to see the message I wrote for you ;)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lento_Rodriguez

Hello Anne! It's been a while since we've had a tree finishing party. I'm happy to get started on my reverse French tree again.

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