https://www.duolingo.com/Far-quaad

People downvote a little to freely... and it seems like trolling.

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I feel like a lot of posts get unrighteously downvoted. This one https://www.duolingo.com/comment/24288525$comment_id=24288844 for instance. I really wish that these discussions were a more positive place that didn't discourage others from participating. But many users troll other accounts in the discussions which I think can seriously affect that person's wanting to go to the discussions in the first place. Another example, someone complaining about using Russian typing on their romanized keyboard, got downvoted four times and someone even commented "You are wrong" which I found to be very rude. This especially happens to newbies.

Personally, I only ever downvote if somebody is being rude, mean, or malicious, and I believe the users who downvote everything are counterproductive in the goals of the discussions in the first place.

Sorry for the rant, I just don't like seeing so much negativity on a website that should be positive and inviting to new and/or confused learners, even if you don't quite like what they're saying, it doesn't mean you should troll them.

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/PrussianPidgeon

I only downvote if a discussion is not relevant to language learning, for instance

Title : "Hey guysssss!"

Description: "How are things diddling?"

Things like that, not hating/trolling in anyway, just trying to show Duolingo is not a place for small talk in the Discussions, hopefully they will add an option for IM and that.

Some people just downvote things for the sake of downvoting as well

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/seacc3
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I agree...mostly. Small talk about language can be an invitation to the bigger picture. I've tried to post language type jokes several times, only to see innocence crushed.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Woof.
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I've seen your joke posts. Very funny, and not irrelevant, but some people are like ''What the heck? I'm downvoting you for spamming!''

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/seacc3
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Thanks....a joke in my learned language should be applauded you'd think. Maybe they down voted because they didn't laugh? Idk.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DreamOfFlying

Right. you don't want people to be to sensitive to where they get upset if you downvote a discussion like that.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PrussianPidgeon

Exactly.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DreamOfFlying

That was downvoted. I don't care, But I wouldn't have done it myself because I wasn't saying anything negative at all.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/seacc3
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I also don't understand the people that use down votes to hurt and cause pain. However, we do see "Hi" topics a lot which should be discouraged. Or social sexual trolling topics. Occasionally we hear a question from someone who failed to do any personal effort and has wayyyyy to much time in the community to not know better. But I think we should be positive and open minded enough to hear the breadth of language topics available.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Woof.
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Hear, hear!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Woof.
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I agree with you. I remember seeing an old link similar to the one you just showed us, except it was a different account, and everyone was being so nice and helpful to that person, that single post had so many upvotes, but now when you see a post like this, some people are still nice and helpful, but others are like ''No one cares about you.'' and people downvote that person for asking a harmless question/s. It's insane. I'm sick of the downvote button abuse.

If you agree that the downvote button is abused, I want you to go out to the forum and upvote every post that is not spam, insulting, etc.

I ask a question: Downvoted.

I host a contest: Downvoted.

I try to help someone: Downvoted.

I politely ask someone to not spam, stating the reasons why they shouldn't: Downvoted.

I'm sick of this era of downvote button abuse.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/elizadeux
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Here are some reasons that people might downvote in the following circumstances:

  • I ask a question: People might think that you (anyone) should do a little bit of research first before asking the question such as doing a google search. This is especially true for questions that have been asked repeatedly.

  • I host a contest: Contests used to be quite common a few years ago, but I've noticed that people frequently downvote them now. I'm not sure why but maybe they think they are not relevant or that it encourages overuse of the forum.

  • I try to help someone: Sometimes this happens to me. However, it's usually because I've made a mistake in my answer and others have much better answers. In that case, it seems justified for people to downvote me if that were the case. I try to use this to learn something if I am mistaken.

  • I politely ask someone to not spam, stating the reasons why they shouldn't: It's generally not a good idea to engage with anyone who is spamming. If it's really bad, report it. Otherwise, ignore it. Or downvote it.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Qiunnn
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Your example link was spam which was why it got downvoted and as for the other one I guess most people just dont like post whose sole purpose is to complain.

Although I agree some people can down vote purely because they disagree with the opinion of someone. I have seen some posts that specifically asked for opinions on a feature and any opinion that disagreed with the majority got downvoted for example most people expressing any opinion other than extremely anti-gem get downvoted and when immersion was removed anything that wasn't atempting to crucify the people who removed was also downvoted.

A lot of comments and discussions are fairly downvoted when they are questions that are easily found by typing the question into google or using Duolingos help page. Or for comments if they are irrelevant to the discussion for example if someone said how do I use this grammar rules and someone comments 'hi' or something offtopic like that

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Michael.Lubetsky
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Forgive me for saying, Antonio, at the risk of sounding negative, that it's equally troublesome when interesting, novel posts get knocked down the "new" list to obscurity since the forums are cluttered with nonsense ("Hey peeps! Lingots plz!"), posts on matters that have been covered over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ("What language should Duolingo add next?" / "Where is Finnish?!"), posts that belong in the Troubleshooting forum or which require a technical-support ticket ("What happened to my streak?") or posts asking questions that can be answered with a 0.5-millisecond Google search and really do not require opening the floor to the Duolingo hive mind ("How do I pronunce "aix" in French?").

What would perhaps be nice would be if Duolingo gave the option for individuals to simply block posts that are not interesting to them, so that those posts would disappear for that user but not for everyone else. That would allow a user to only see forum posts that are of interest. It may also be nice if Duolingo offered specialised forums for some of the more commonly-seen issues, like purely social posts ("Hi, I'm new!"), XP contests, "What language should Duo offer next", or "Help me choose a language". People posting in the Duolingo General forum should be given a pop-up asking them to double-check whether a more specialised forum would be more appropriate.

This said, I understand that Duolingo is in the process of revamping its forum interface, and am looking very forward to seeing what they come up with.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Far-quaad
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Thanks for your thoughtful comment, that IS a good idea. If more people expressed their feelings through comments, rather than by downvoting, Duo would be a better place.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Michael.Lubetsky
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The problem there is that commenting does not fix the problem. There are various users (myself included, at one point) who have gone through periods of regularly reviewing new threads and commenting if the thread has been misclassified or has been dealt with before, but it doesn't stop the clutter and often feels like trying to empty the ocean with an eyedropper. That's why I am looking forward to see what Duo comes up with.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DreamOfFlying

I don't usually downvote anything that I don't agree with, I just don't upvote it. I do upvote when I see something I do like.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MasterZsword

Your rant is completely understandable. The example post you used sort of needed to be downvoted... I really hope that doesn't sound rude. However, what I love about the comments in that one is that people weren't lashing out; they were welcoming and kind because the user was new. More people ought to take notes on that. It was just something I noticed. ^ ^

I have seen relevant posts downvoted for no reason, and it makes me wonder what person would have the time to come here only to downvote perfectly relevant discussions. I don't think there's a lot of people who would go and downote everything, but I do see it on occasions. However, I believe the voting system is a good one. Unfortunately, it's prone to abuse.

Edit: In addition, there's the question of how the forums ought to be used, their "purpose". If people think the forums are all about getting help from others involving language learning, then how come nearly every post about a tree completion or 1 year streak anniversary are happily accepted? Based on that definition, those posts I mentioned are not contributing to the forums and people make them so much. I have nothing against them; I'm just using an example. This is why I believe flexibility is necessary. Sometimes, people don't ask for help, but create an engaging post about a culture(s) or their experiences traveling to a different country. Those have nothing to do with "helping people", but those posts are accepted by the community. A great example of users who are quite creative with posts are CharmingTiger, Speir_ and DragonPolyglot. My point is that there has to be some flexibility, though, not so much that irrelevant posts or spam can wiggle their way in.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Far-quaad
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I understand that! I actually just found the first post that I came across that had been downvoted, I just think it is more useful to leave a polite comment explaining your view on why the post is counterproductive than to just anonymously downvote, which may confuse the poster. Thanks for your comment!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HarleyQuinnLover

That is true that we down vote a bit freely... I ownly down vote a hate commet or this sertain person I do not like...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas_Wesley
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If it makes you feel any better, I upvote almost everything that doesn't seem rude or outright spam.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Woof.
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I do too. I just hope that other users do as well.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DreamOfFlying

There are some people that downvote everything sometimes. Anyhow relax, study, and have fun. Or should I say, have (Serious) fun.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slogger
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Another example, someone complaining about using Russian typing on their romanized keyboard, got downvoted four times . . .

Often posts like this (of which there are already dozens, maybe hundreds) on Duo are downvoted because people are tired of seeing them and rightly think that the poster could have made just the smallest effort to search for previous posts before posting yet one more on the subject.

However, a huge amount of downvotes are obviously from children who are bored, or who are just being children (specifically, younger teenagers). The novelist Robert Harris described the type about as succinctly as can be: " . . . young Quintus, who was now fifteen, had all the charms of that particular age, being sullen, secretive, insolent and duplicitous." (From Dictator, describing the nephew of M. Tullius Cicero.) Had downvoting been an option in those days, it would have been listed too.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Astronautonaut

I agree! The only post I've ever created was downvoted, and all I did was ask for opinions on what everybody's favorite/least favorite sounding language is.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jimnicholson
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Yes, but how many times does that same question get asked?

Suggestion: Instead of creating a new post, why not join one of those many existing discussions.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DreamOfFlying

It's hard to set the line. I mean, you don't wan't people downvoting everything, but at the same time you don't want people to be to sensitive to where if you correct something it sounds like you are being negative

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Astronautonaut

Yeah, that's true. But those discussions are usually older. There are more people joining Duolingo, new opinions, and people's old opinions have changed. Even if a question has been asked before, I think it's nice to renew them every once in awhile.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Qiunnn
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This may have been because this doesn't particularly fit in with the intended use of the forums also I have seen hundreds of these discussions and you can find a lot of them by typing favorite langauge or something similar into the search function

1 year ago
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