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https://www.duolingo.com/DavidOldacre

Goodbye DUOLINGO

To all my followers on the DUOLINGO, I do appreciate your interest in my progress, but I thought you should know that after using the system for three years as of tomorrow, I will be taking a rest from DUOLINGO practice for the time being.

The reason is simple. The removal of the immersion feature in January 2017 has severely curtailed my learning curve to develop my French language skills.

The only alternative I have had was to cycle my way through the 80 lessons on offer, which I have now done ten times over the past 8 months. I am now finding that my learning curve has has come to a stop (as measured by the errors I make - which are now basically reduced to careless ones more related to my failure to properly check my answers before submission due to typing errors rather than to any inherent French language errors.

I have been spending about 35 hours per month on DUOLINGO practice over this period, and up to late August I had an unbeaten streak of 1049 consecutive days to meet my target. I accidentally broke the streak on August 26th. When I discovered that this has happened, I realized that keeping the streak alive was really the only reason I was continuing to do my daily practice.

It has been a big effort for me to bring my French language skills to the current level, and while DUOLINGO itself is good for getting you to a beyond the beginner level, my experience is that it is not really suitable for getting to a medium to advanced level where reading and speaking French become second nature.

So good luck to you all. I hope that you will visit the beautiful province of Quebec, Canada some time in the future. There are lots of beautiful towns, villages, parks to visit. There is a lot of history to learn about Quebec, and the people of Quebec are friendly and welcoming.

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/EvelynOlson0

Yeah, the removal of immersion sucked. I'm Canadian and have been to Quebec. I absolutely loved it! I got to drop some of my French skills there and was so excited when they actually understood me :D

Good luck!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnaGuaGua

I Agree with you, I loved the immersion feature for Italian. I've finished the Italian tree, and loved the more challenging aspect of the Immersion. Don't give up on Duolingo entirely, they seem to be adding a new feature, called "stories" under labs. I'm not sure what it is, bc they don't have an Italian one yet, but it seems promising. I would check back in a few months to see if that feature is complete. Anyway, good luck in your language learning endeavors :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnaGuaGua

PS, I have visited Quebec, I was in Montreal 2 weeks ago. Lovely city. Navigating the metro was a bit difficult because I don't speak any French, but I managed :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Multi0Lingual4
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I went to Montreal as well! Je l'ai aime. I could not understand spoken French but I could read it, and it was amazing!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnaGuaGua

yeah I actually could understand a bit of it written down. I live in the States, so a lot of our packaging/warnings/nutrition facts etc are written in both English and French and Spanish. So actually, I recognized a few words as words I've seen in the States

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/phopkins1
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Congratulations on your success with french. I hope you continue your studies and master the language.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/buck72
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Best wishes for your future language learning - wherever it might be. :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zaitrancer
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Congratulations on your success! I wish you the best in your future studies.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KRS2003

Good luck in everything that you do.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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Hi David,

great story!
Thanks for sharing it and your personal experiences.

I can perfectly understand why you are seeking for a rest :-)

JFI: How come that you never had started the reverse tree once you have finished this forward tree, which would get you more into translating into the L2 target language French?

Or how about any laddering courses including French as the source language?

Your DuoLingo profile only has the normal/forward (e.g EN-FR, DE-FR) French course added - your country flag says it.

This results in the fact that you have to read a lot of L2 French - on the left side - but very much translate into L1 English, your native language (or let it be German, as this course is available too), on the right side.
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If you almost exclusively (the mix ratio is higher L2-L1 than L1-L2) have to translate from French into English....it is of course harder to learn to write and speak the "active part" of French, instead with the standard ratio you try to improve your passive reading French skills.
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There is a great (web) user script from Camilo available, called "DuoLingo tree enhancer".

It works for reverse trees (e.g concentrating on hearing the audio, not reading the text) or adding L2 audio for normal/forward courses.
That is reading the French answer/solution on the right side side of translations (those rare cases where you actually have to write French in the forward course).


However, since you been living in Quebec since 2001, I do agree with you and personally think, that DuoLingo is sadly not the right program to try to focus on speaking, phrases, learning theme selected sentences you might be able use in real life, real context, seeing person dialogs, learning to write longer and nested sentences, intermediate/advanced language level stuff, etc.
I am not really using it for English, just to learn Portuguese from scratch (my 1st Romance language).

This is one of the reasons why I have not been using, as you, only DuoLingo exclusively.


phrases, learning theme selected sentences

For phrases/speaking I encountered www.language101.com (had done a quick demo).

For "theme / topic" related content I am testing and hoping for Mondly (too much tapping on the web, hearding L2 audio before starting translation = too easy).
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real context, seeing person dialogs

I have this Digital Publishing French CD laying around since ages.
It also contains some person dialogs.

However my plan is not to use it for the initial 6-12 month beginner phase and learning French with it from scratch.
I would have to manually translate each new unknown word too often (right mouse click context popup menu).
It seems to use a different learning concept than which I have seen so far on DuoLingo, Memrise, Mondly.
Probably the vendor would have to teach me first how to use their DP language learning program appropriately (being able understand more easily the dialogs, sentences, learning the seen vocabulary) :-)


If you like you can take a look at www.bliubliu.com, where you can read longer texts and hear native recorded audio.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Michael.Lubetsky
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Bonne continuation!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Camilla-danesa
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Bye DavidOldacre, and thank you from a fellow in the old translating community for being such an agreable and helpful fellow translator and explorer. I'm in your shoes too, it's only the streak that keeps me going. I am no longer learning, just keeping my skills from getting too rusty.

There are new translation communities that have sprung up, and if you are interested i will search around for their old posts.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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Apparently constructed by Immersion veterans to continue the translating: http://translatihan.com/

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Camilla-danesa
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WOW! I didn't know about this one! Thank you so much!!!! I see several old friends are there!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vivisaurus
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DavidOldacre, although I understand taking a break, I hope it's not goodbye-goodbye! (。•́‿•̀。) People in this thread have shared good ideas of other things that can be done when you move beyond the basics—like reverse trees or brand new courses. There is also hope for Stories to graduate from Labs into your favorite languages, as well as real-life meetups where you can actually talk and practice (Duolingo Events). Not to mention... future things...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CharmingTiger
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Good luck on your language learning journey sir, wherever it takes you!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marie-Clai133496

Bonne continuation !

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dknafo

Congrats on your perseverance and dedication but you live in Quebec. I know you can live in Montreal without using french but you don't have to. I have no idea what this immersion thing on Duolingo was but you have the opportunity for real immersion by stepping outside.

I can't imagine what duolingo can offer you after all this time so its probably a good thing that you are spreading your wings and leaving the nest.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bubzy2

good luck!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Woof.
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''The reason is simple. The removal of the immersion feature in January 2017 has severely curtailed my learning curve to develop my French language skills.''

For heaven's sake, I understand that Immersion was a good feature, but I am starting to get so, so, so sick of the complaining about its removal.

Anyway, goodbye! Congrats on reaching Level 25.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MasterZsword
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The OP wasn't really complaining about its removal, just describing the effect of its absence that it had on him. I'm not sure if you had immersion or not, but there is a reason why it's so highly praised. For one, it helped me so much with my reading comprehension! ^ ^

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Multi0Lingual4
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I agree with Woof, actually, as the unpopular opinion in the room. (Insert penguin meme.) I do understand Immersion -- I used it to help with my Spanish, and got to translation level 6 -- but it seems like every time there's a complaint about Duolingo, Immersion is brought up, or activity stream, and I for one wish there was a complaining post that didn't bring up Immersion or the activity stream.

I understand that lots of people miss it. But I am not one of those people.

Can we go one day without mentioning it? Please? Maybe we already have. Let's try a week then, and see how that goes.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MasterZsword
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True. ^ ^ Though, I was talking about how this specific poster wasn't complaining. Usually, a complainer would cry about how they want immersion back. I do find it annoying when people do that. People need to get over it, since it just won't come back. I will miss it, though...

Besides, I am excited for Duo's new features!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Camilla-danesa
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Woof..... immersion was not a "good feature", more like a world to journey in.

Plus, all the translating I and fellow translators worked so hard at getting just right, many many hours of work, and completing many really interesting texts, all of that just went poof! – all gone! I think it's reasonable to be mad about that, and not call it whining.

1 year ago