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https://www.duolingo.com/Reeion

REMOVE THE HEARTS PLEASE, It is better to plow through and complete as much as possible!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This is video that helps my case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-27jSnRrmpo

When doing the Spanish course I started and didn't move on until I knew the lessons. This lasted for a short period because it is impossible to remember everything. I then stopped for a long period. I started again and said "Darnt I'm just going to get the darn tree done!" and my goal started and I was not hindered by hearts or telling me to relearn old stuff. I just struggled through going for my goal! I knew I would lose gold up in the tree but that would be my next goal. Keep the tree gold. Which I currently do. I have forgotten a lot of what I learned a long the way but this forced a deeper learning as I relearned it and remembered the old lessons.

Ahora mi español no es perfecto pero entiendo mucho. También es posible que yo puedo escuchar español podcasts o youtube. Ambos es solamente posible porque duolingo. Yo uso muchas otras herramientas para aprender, pero el duolingo es el número 1.

Spelling still might be some stuff wrong fyi

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Astronautonaut

That's definitely one way to go about it!

Everybody is different. Personally, that doesn't work for me. A year ago when I was on Duolingo to learn French, that's exactly what I tried doing. It didn't work. I couldn't remember a thing. A few months later I returned to French and took a still quick, but more steady approach, and that didn't work either.

Now, I'm learning German at a slow and steady pace, and this is by far the best I've done.

It seems to work for you! I'm a native Spanish speaker and the only mistake I found was "También es posible para mi escuchar " (which should be "También es posible que yo puedo escuchar", or, "También es posible para mi a escuchar")

Duolingo implemented the hearts system so that people don't overwork their brain, but everybody's approach to language learning is different. I say we should get rid of the hearts system.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Yoreni4

I think the Health should be optinal

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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Hearts or health? Don't confuse the both!

There is no health (at all) or hearts on the web for learning new lessons or reviews (test out and checkpoints as well as intro comprehension test are going to use "hearts").

Therefore you must be talking about the IOS mobile app?
Or maybe you are "lucky" and got enrolled in a later Android mobile app A/B test group?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Reeion
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Yes sorry, I meant on the iPhone app

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vivisaurus
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There are different ways to do it, and I agree there are times when you have to move on, and times when you should try to understand things a little more before pushing through. Experts and scientists tell us learners how to best master a new language, and Duolingo listens to them, as well as the huge volume of learning data. We are working on tweaking the health system to better improve learning and of course the experience itself. So don't dismiss it; we all want the exact same thing: for Duolingo learners to learn better. So please keep sharing your feedback and give it a try once in a while with each update; soon enough you should see a change that will work better for you.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jimnicholson
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Can you confirm if you mean Hearts or Health? A lot of new users have these confused.

Health is the thing with Gems, that some app users have. It uses a heart symbol with bars around it, and you will lose one bar with each error you make.

Hearts is what you get when testing out (or using a shortcut or a placement test). This is on all platforms, including web. You will have three heart symbols, and you will lose one heart with each error you make.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Reeion
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Yes sorry, I meant on the iPhone app

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jimnicholson
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Sure, it is confusing with the heart symbol bring re-used.

There was a person writing the other day, that something was happening with Hearts on the web, so it best to clear up which is being discussed. Thanks for clarifying.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Reeion
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Por supuesto, todavia yo amor duolingo because it gives me a good base to use and work from while utilizing other resources to fill gaps

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper
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Too much repetition = bad.

Too little repetition = bad.

Even in the video you linked students still did repetitions, the students didn't continue to plow through more material past the first stage. Potentially it's even proof of the importance of repetition: the students who learnt everything in the first stage would then have a lot of time for repeating the material throughout the rest of the year, while the others still had to learn the rest of the material with less time for repetitions.

The ideal path should be a balanced combination of repetition and new material.

The way you do repetitions is important too: looking at the same thing over and over again on the same day will be extremely inefficient, you're better off spending a minimal amount of time the next few days on quickly going over it again. I'm not going to write a larger explanation of what I believe to be a good way of repetition here. Spending roughly 50% of your time on reviewing and the other 50 on new material should be a good balance, but the methods of reviewing and of adding new material are of importance too. As repetition through Duolingo is rather slow, the ideal Duolingo balance might be with more time spent on repetition compared to reviewing.

Your point is far from proven, I think you're rather looking for something that confirms your bias instead of critically looking at the information. The information given in the video doesn't at all prove or disprove the effectiveness of reviewing versus pushing through. It rather suggests that learning small bits and repeating those short term is worse than learning a lot at once and then repeating it all over a longer period of time.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Reeion
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100% agree many ways to look at it and each person is different based on each persons goals. Everyone learns different, this limit on the iPhone app can cause frustration if someone wants to deviate slightly from duo's great course.

thanks for your insight

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper
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Duolingo themselves probably would be one of the first to admit that it's not a perfect solution. But putting up these roadblocks seems to yield better results than not having them.

A good thing to mention is that people expect a certain degree of fluency after finishing a language tree. When pushing too fast, without any repetition at all, it often causes people to realize they barely remember anything, which is extremely demotivating, causes people to give up and gives them a bad impression of Duolingo. In that case it didn't really teach them the language.

I completely understand that the health system can cause frustration, but then there's the question whether it's any better to allow people to rush through a tree without remembering much and quiting when they realize it? Duolingo's main goal is to "really" teach a language, not to just be a "tree finishing" simulator to put it bluntly.

While the health system is frustrating, finishing a tree and realizing you remember very little and would have to relearn most things is at least as frustrating if not even more frustrating. From my own experience, the worst progress I ever made was when I had rushed "too much" causing me to remember barely anything of those lessons. Having to relearn them caused extremely slow progress and a very high degree of demotivation. You could say that the health system frustrates you a bit now to save you more frustration later on. Sure this won't apply equally to all, but I think it applies to a degree to most people.

Ideally trees would have "no end" / a loooot more content available in general (for, lets call it "natural repetition"), but that would take tons of time and money. It's something that will likely not happen until an AI system takes over. AI could automatically generate new exercices consisting of highly targeted "partial" repetition (different sentences) and new content. Plus other personalised approaches. It's certainly something Duolingo should focus on for the future - if they aren't looking at it already. (not even to mention a ton of other benefits it would have). Google translate is a prime example that it's not easy though.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Reeion
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The IA idea is very interesting and perhaps in the future this will become a possibility. The chat bots which get a lot of hate are really not that bad once you've completed the tree and try to use your target language. This is the closest thing to AI I believe.

I wish people would have a realistic approach to learning a language and stop thinking the golden owl will magically make you speak in the target language fluently. Repetition, practice, and forgetting is part of learning.

Love the "no end" idea sort of because this is truly what is happening when learning a language. Constantly learning new vocabulary or ways to express yourself. Also the no end is scary because people have tend to like goals.

I think a lot of courses give people unrealistic impression. Rossetta Stone, michel thomas, and "main stream" content with their advertisements give the impression they make it so easy when we know the truth its a long rewarding struggle.

Es muy divertido aprender nuevo idioma.

1 year ago