"도넛"
Translation:doughnut
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When ㅅ is a batchim (ends a syllable/jamo) it has a T sound. Same goes for ㄷ, ㅆ, ㅈ, ㅊ and ㅎ. ㅂ and ㅍ have a P sound (if the next jamo starts with a vowel, ㅂ keeps it B sound). ㅋ, ㄲ and ㄱ, K (ㄱ has a G sound when the next jamo starts with a vowel). ㅇ, ㅁ, ㄴ and ㄹ has normal sound as batchim.
I recommend search better about batchim, it's very important
I am also very confused by this "t" sound. Can someone describe in simple english how to choose between ㄷ, ㅌ, ㅅ and ㅆ?
ㄷ pronunciation is between d and t it is never exactly the sound of d and t . ㅌ is the sound if t or th . ㅅ Is pronounced as S when in the beginning of a word but if it is in the end then is pronounced as d or t like 옷 is (ot) which means clothes so it is pronounced as ot but when something is added to the word like the subject particle (을)is added so 옷을 is pronounced as (oseul) .
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The written coronal sounds will be most frustrating to a beginner when in the coda position of a syllable. These are: ㄴ, ㄷ, ㄸ, ㅌ, ㄹ, ㅅ, ㅆ, ㅈ, ㅉ, and ㅊ. The surface realization of these sounds can change greatly depending on context.
Examples: (using a 1-to-1 romanization scheme with hangeul pronunciation in brackets and the spelling simply bolded)
the field: 밭 (bat→bad) + 이 (i) → [바치] (bati→bachi)
input: 입 (ib) + 력 (lyeog) → [임녁] (iblyeog→imnyeog)
shilla (state): 신 (sin) + 라 (la) → [실라] (sinla→silla)
petal: 꽃 (kkoch→kkod) + 잎 (ip→ib) → [꼰닙] (kkochib→kkodnib→kkonnib)
first kiss: 첫 (cheos→cheod) + 키스 (kiseu) → [척키스] (cheoskiseu→cheodkiseu→cheogkiseu)
that is: 있 (iss→id) + 는 (neun) → [인는] (issneun→idneun→inneun).
similarly: 비슷 (biseus→biseud) + 하게 (hage) → [비스타게] (biseushage→biseudhage→biseutage)
Of course, this goes for other sounds too besides the ones I mentioned, but the other ones have fewer rules and fewer possibilities for sound changes. Words are morphemically spelled, so you are expected to internalize these contextual transformations.
Why don't they use ㅌ instead of ㅅ though? Wouldn't it make everything less complicated? The world may never know
ㅌ?
The sounds don’t work like that in Korean. You have to forget that there are any [b] (ㅂ), [d] (ㄷ), [dʑ] (ㅈ), and [g] (ㄱ) sounds in Korean, because they are not the pronunciations of the base forms. Instead, the base forms are pronounced [p] (ㅂ), [t] (ㄷ), [tɕ] (ㅈ), and [k] (ㄱ). Romanizations use b, d, j, and g out of convenience since these letters would otherwise go unused.
To truly understand the difference between pairs like ㄷ and ㅌ, you must be aware that the Korean mind distinguishes only the presence of aspiration. ㄷ is not aspirated; there is no puff of air accompanying the pronunciation of this consonant. ㅌ is aspirated; there is a palpable puff of air accompanying the pronunciation of this consonant. But both ㄷ or ㅌ can be voiced (ㄷ as [d] and ㅌ as [dʱ]) between voiced sounds (those sounds when your vocal cords are supposed to vibrate).
ㅌ is an unreasonable choice to use as a final consonant, because there is no aspiration at the end of syllables, and no aspiration when linked to a following null-onset (without initial consonant) syllable. Take the English sentence A “cat is out” for example and their resulting pronunciation in speech:
- a-ca-di-zout (yes)
- a-ca-ti-sout (no)
The t in cat is not aspirated as you can see, but voiced. This is the same in Korean. The biggest mistake is assuming that there is somehow a 1-to-1 equivalence between Korean phonemes and English phonemes, because as you can see in English, even t (written) is not always t (pronounced)!
As for the use of ㅅ rather than ㄷ (which I also find more logical), it’s simple: Koreans sometimes perceive borrowed words’ [t] coda as having an [s]-like quality before null-onset consonants.
Also should consider when they use it in a sentence and use subject particle.. Do you want them to say 도넛이 donus i or 도넡이 donuch i......lol
I thought it was like if its a double ㅅ at the begining of the word then it sounds like a ㄷ/ㅌ (???)
In none of the other exercises I can ask this but. Anybody know why "bak" has been written like "balk"?
It's 4 letter syllable with double consonant at the ending/batchim. You should just memorize them. There are 10 of them; 7 of them you read the 1st letter of double batchim: ㄴㅈ, ㄴㅎ, ㅂㅅ, ㄱㅅ, ㄹㅎ, ㄹㅂ, ㄹㅌ
And the rest 3 read the 2nd letter of double batchim: ㄹㅁ, ㄹㅍ, ㄹㄱ
Donut in North Korean dialect is 가락지빵 (garakjippang) which literally means ,,ring bread".
I like North Korea’s attitude of cultural purity. But not sure if they are aware that ⟨빵⟩ is a European-derived term: Korean ⟨빵⟩ ← Japanese ⟨パン⟩ ← Portuguese ⟨pão⟩ ← Latin ⟨panis⟩.
It’s you. The Korean ㅗ (/o/) sounds closer to English ‹oo› than ‹o›. English ‹o› (a short sound) is /ɔ/.
Yes, and for the second half of the word, pronounciation sounded like 나 instead of 너
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHcBEJxvHSE
He does a pretty good job explaining ending consonant pronunciation.
If it helps someone:
The transliteration (translating the sound, not the meaning) of "도넛" as "dunut" and "donut" are both accepted in the exercise.
Is "넛" a "nut" in Korean? And 도 (do) meaning "too"? So is "doughnut" can be heard in Korean also in "nut too"? (Just too understand the logics of the language)
I'm very confused. How is it that the 'o' syllable translates to the ou in doughnut and also where is the g and h in the Hangul word? AND what happened to the eo syllable... please help
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Just concentrate on the Korean sounds, not on English spelling. Learn the Hangul alphabet using one of many excellent youtube courses. Adapt your keyboard to type in hangul, and never use romanization again after you have learned the basic Korean sounds. The romanization was just just to help you get an idea of what the Korean letters sound like. The g and the h have no sound even in English, so you certainly won't find them in Korean.
My surname is 李. Where is the L in 李? Where is the I?
Transliterating a word from another language is not just scrambling the letter shapes into some secret code.
hey but isn't doughnut spelled as donut as well? I wrote donut and it said that my answer is wrong
Wait, but isn't doughnut spelled as donut too? What's wrong with that? It's the same thing man!
hello, I’m an Italian guy, so I don’t know all English, so I made a mistake in writing, I had to write donut, and instead I wrote dougnaths, I knew the answer anyway, but Uolingo marked me the mistake, However, what not done in my previous mistake, I had to write seed, and instead I wrote seeen, I probably made the mistake because I was in a hurry, but that’s not the important thing now, the important thing is that Duolingo to this mistake did not mark me the error, He gave me the right one and just said, it’s right, but seed is written like that, and there would be so many of these cases, to which Satan has always marked the answer as right, how could I do to solve this apparent problem? And anyway I used a translator, if there are any errors of any kind I apologize, but anyway how I can fix it, thank you and hello.
Doughnut, also known as Donut or Dunut, is a common sweet bread with glaze or iced topping, usually circular shaped and with a hole in the middle. Highly recommend to those who haven't had one.
| English | Hangul | Romanization | IME Typing |
|---|---|---|---|
| Doughnut | 도넛 | do neot | eh sjt |
Native Korean pronunciation via Forvo: https://forvo.com/word/도넛/
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jacquelinemmm, since so many of the 받침 (ending consonants) sound the same (like an unreleased English "t", the spelling has to be memorized.
In nearly all cases, the /t/ coda is borrowed as -ㅅ or -트. I cannot fathom why the more-obvious -ㄷ is not used, but it could be that Koreans weaken coda /t/ to /s/ anyway between vowels.
If I know nothing besides what I've learned from Korean; how tf am I supposed to know doughnut? Shouldn't this come later? With the verbs, nouns, ect.
Why is 도 the same when referring to "to" and "do"? Like two words start differently yet both start as 도
That's exactly what I wrote this for:
why are there no explainations? are we expected tho accept a change, say in GAK without ane explaination Why is the same symbol given for gat twice
The sound needs to be reworked. I made a random noise and it said it was right. As well as just said doughnut regularly.
is it just me or do a lot of the pronounciations sound like slightly incorrect?
This happens because the romanization. And a native corean teach me that for knowing what batchim we have to use in any word we need to memorize
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I've seen it written as Donut and Doughnut in german. We just use the english word because there is no german one. My dad refers to it as "amerikanischer Krapfen" because he knows it bugs me, but Ive never heard anyone else use that.
Why do they only ask what sound it makes then how are we supposed to know the meaning or what its used for ?
Totally confused , some words have same pronounced can't see the difference
Oh god this gak, gal, gat, gang they all sound similar to me, its so frustrating
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https://zkorean.com/hangul/appearance The letters have different pronunciation based off of placement in the word
Batchims are very confusing for me. But its still better than being born speaking another language and trying to learn English. Hahaha! Imagine trying to figure out why "cough" and "dough" does not rhyme. Or why "laughter" and "daughter" does not rhyme. Or why the verb "live" and adjective "live" is spelt the same, yet have different pronunciations.
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The English language is very inconsistent when it comes from spelling; maybe because borrows from many other languages I have no clue man
maybe this spunds a little strange but i said the word "tuna" and it works... Can someone explain please?
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Please someone tell me one thing if i have to write doneot so what am i supposed to write for this t sound ㄷ,ㅅ or ㅌ and why?
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Please someone tell me one thing if i have to write doneot so what am i supposed to write for this t sound ㄷ,ㅅ or ㅌ and why?
