Memrise and Duolingo
I have studied 2 languages before coming here study French (third languge). I spent A LOT of time and energy on Memrise studying Japanese , about 90% if feels, on the kanji. So I am particularly curious about your experienced results with using Memrise. As you know there is a Premium (subscription version) and the free version. Ha, I am willing to bet a box of Japanese sweets that maybe only 1 of my respondents has paid good money for Memrise coaching... So, I am guessing the issue of time priorities determines, for the majority, which one is used most and why......meaning largest number of replies here, will spend more than 50% of the time on one service first, and what ever remains of their time, goes to the other, Oui? Non?
Comparisons between these two services, I suspect the majority will say "complimentary".. However this answer will somewhat contradict my previous hypothesis. Please explain how/why you use the two,
My disclosure: Frankly, after spending alot of time and energy on Memrise, I became VERY disappointed with the quality and/or consistency of the ID, Instructional Design. Yeah, I know the reason(s) for some of that, but it still doen't wash with me. I was willing to spend good money if it was going to produce results. But I didn't then. Things may have changed.....from.4 years ago
Finally, you may know that Memrise, is cultivating an image, and certainly the premium service, purports to use the latest Cognitive Psychological research
for their design, etc. No one needs to tell us that "AI " is going to be a "big buzz thing" going forward in online learning, if not already. I used to have an interesting job, and in that job, i could get free research reading material related to these mentioned topics....and I actually studied LISP. However, we are probably still a very expensive subscription ticket away from experiencing the AI or even Cognitive Psych. impact for the general public. Internet examples of either Duolingo or Memrise may have advanced plans I dont know about....however I doubt I will see any evidence in the next couple of years...
AFAIK Memrise's own courses aren't free anymore for new members on their app, that makes quite a difference. When you could get access to their own language courses for free it was really excellent, but $90/year+ does limit a lot of people's access and the third party/community courses are very much a mixed bag, and naturally few can live up to the effort Memrise have put in. Ultimately I think it was a good companion to duolingo, but it's not really worth the pro sub to my mind.
Oh and have to agree about the layout; it's horrendous, and it's even worse on the website. I think for now you can still use their own courses on the website if you're a new member, but it's so ugly/clunky/confusing you might not want to lol
The official Memrise courses are free, just like any of the user generated courses are. However, the official courses, come with some extra tools, that are not available in the user generated courses. It is these extra tools which require a Pro subscription.
The extra tools are:
- Meet the Natives (videos of natives speaking on the street) are very good.
- Chatbots are not so good (nowhere near as good as Duolingo Bots).
- Grammarbots look like a work in progress - so not sure yet.
(Pro has some other features, that are available to all courses)
I agree it is clunky - I want to know what Mobile development tool they used, so I can avoid it.
There do seem to be changes on the way. In particular, they had a competition where university teams competed to improve language learning, and they have yet to implement the output of that.
And they say they will be working on speaking skills: https://blog.memrise.com/2017/06/28/why-did-we-learn-dutch-in-3hrs/
Can you confirm for new members?
I heard that new sign up's lost access to official courses on the apps after a couple of days, so signed out, signed up as a new member and sure enough a few.. maybe two days later all official courses became locked.
All I can say is that I have seen nothing like that in the forums. Well recently anyway...
A while back, there was a period (a couple of weeks?) where the official courses became locked, for non-Pro users, but Memrise claimed this was a bug. It seemed to be the new bots (Grammarbots?) had been made mandatory - which is a problem if you are a non-Pro user who can't use them... you couldn't just skip over them. So new users would have been able to do the first lesson, or so, but nothing more. This is what I remember anyway. Now, could this be a fib, and Memrise were really A/B testing how many people would switch to Pro, or something? Possibly, but I have not heard anything about it since. It was strange how it only impacted some people. Perhaps they were A/B testing whether to make the new bots mandatory? And Memrise themselves did genuinely seem to be confused (at their end) about what was going on.
Since my previous response, some Android users have arrived in the forum to complain that they are hitting a paywall. I have tried exploring if it is a UI bug (on iOS there is a bug whereby it insists you should do Grammarbots next, which is a problem if you do not have Pro, but you can get around it). However, it looks like they are hitting a genuine paywall - though none have shared screenshots, which make it hard to confirm.