https://www.duolingo.com/Ichthus731

Some XP Numbers in Rankings are Hilarious!

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I have one that added me recently that already has like 14000xp this week. We are on Wednesday in some places of the world barely starting it. How is this possible? LOL! Even doing nothing but Duolingo the whole day and taking some time out to sleep, eat, or shower, that is still like 5-7 duolingo lessons PER MINUTE! Yeah right....

UPDATE Interestingly enough, the person with all that XP suddenly disappeared from my follower list! I found their profile again by finding the old notification of them adding me still in the drop-down menu on my profile page. Their high XP numbers have all been wiped clean! They are no more! They only have now 3000 something both in this week, this month, and since all time. Same number for all 3 categories. All followers and following have been reset to zero. It's the same thing that happened before to another one with super inflated numbers. They just disappeared, like account deleted or something. That time I didn't think to look in the old notifications to see if they still exist on Duo. It looks like sometimes Duo resets accounts if they catch hackers.

2nd Update This guy is definitely a hacker!! His XP just jumped from 3000 to 31000 in only 2 hours!

**Lol....and now a few hours later he is at 70000! He might even actually learn a few words in the process.

-Now in 1 day he has gone from zero in Spanish to nearly level 25! And 25 in English.

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson
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Testing out of a language you know gives you all the XP for that language's lessons. I tested out of the entire Swedish course over a couple of evenings and got several thousand XP for it for a couple of half hours or so of actual work. Testing out of the German course (which is large) would give even more.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kansokusha
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I tested out of the English, and Spanish course. Each test took me to just level 10 with 1250xp at most. Even if a person knew more languages than that, they would have to test out of many more crossed courses to do that, for example Spanish for English Speakers, Spanish for X-language speakers, X-language for English speakers, and so on.

That is a lot of work for a sane person. I was recently swiftly visited by some "Mortal Insect" in my Portuguese club, who joined the club, tested out to 1140xp taking the first place for him, and then left right after. /// The Duolingo app has a bug that allows that user to keep the first place even after having left club, so my guess is that what we got here is a "troll", jumping from club to club claiming their first places. At the end of the week we'll all see the message saying "X-user was the winner of the leaderboard last week" even after having left the club.

Trust me, it has happened to me before.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michelleyam
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Interesting... I tested out of two languages that got me to both a Level 9 and gained almost 2000XP for each one. You gained 1250XP for testing out to Level 10. Not that XPs are worth anything, but I'm now kind of curious how the points are gained. I would think the higher the level, the more the XP? Doesn't seem to be the case with our examples.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kansokusha
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I have confirmed that even after resetting a course, the ranking board still remembers how much XP you have earned regardless of how much you've lost after resetting.

Other than that, I was first given only 500xp when testing out of German for Spanish speakers with 1 mistake, and then only 400xp after re-testing with 2 mistakes. Apparently the amount you're given depends on many factors, like probably the language you're taking the test from, and probably the extent of the course as well as how many mistakes you make.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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I'm fairly sure the number of XP attained simply corresponds to the number of lessons it lets you quiz out of. Undoubtedly both depend on how many mistakes made in the quiz-out and also likely when in the quiz-out you make them, as I suspect it is adaptive, so mistakes earlier on will yield you easier questions from then on, limiting the extent of total quizzing out that is possible.

I think XP from deleted quiz-outs are kept for weekly and monthly totals, but are absent from the all time totals (I base this on the fact that deleting tree progress immediately decreases the all time total, at least when I have done it).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kansokusha
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Sounds about right.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michelleyam
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Glad you reported back on your findings. Those variables would seem to make sense in factoring XPs.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ritterworld

14000xp/10 xp/lesson= 1400 lessons. 1400 lessons/3 days~466 lessons/day. Assuming that someone is a very high level and can breeze through duolingo lessons, 466 lessons*3 minutes/lesson~1398 minutes or 23.3 hours. hanspersson presents the only logical explanation because I have no clue how someone would fake xp on the rankings.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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Anybody doing that much Duolingo (and legitimate cases of very high usage levels do exist) would undoubtedly use timed practice, thereby easily halving your time estimates (my personal mark for a 20 XP timed practice is often around 3 minutes). But doing such for any length of time would undoubtedly increase one's speed; I have seen claims of up to 700 XP/hour achieved in timed practice (not that I necessarily suspect that's what happened in the case referenced here).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ichthus731
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There was one that was much, much higher in my friend list before, but they suddenly disappeared. That same day a Duo staffer wrote something in the forums about people using hacks or glitches in the system would be deleted, so it is possible.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/matfran2001
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Hahaha, yes, some people hack the system, nothing new here ( XP means nothing, btw, but I guess some people just like to show off )

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zaitrancer
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I once accidentally deleted my finished Spanish tree when I was at Level 18. When I re-added it and tested out I immediately received 10,000 or 11,000 XP. Maybe something like that happened.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/matfran2001
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Testing out a whole tree gives you around 3,000 points. Some users accumulate around 40,000 XPs every week, (so they are not reseting and then testing out again, because their XPs are always added, not substracted and then added again).

So yes, some people cheat, who cares :-)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zaitrancer
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I may be confused with levels. Perhaps it was level 10 or 11 where I was placed.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MacIomhair
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Before I go to Spain on holiday, I reset my Spanish course and test-out, then revise what's not golden to be fresh when I go. That makes it look like I've done a tonne each time (about once every 2 years).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xaghtaersis
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Either a bug or someone is cheating.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SprightBark
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I think I saw someone write in the past couple of weeks about a bug that allowed them to get XP multiple times for completing a lesson once. My memory is fallible though, and I'm not going to research this.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarlosLM.
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I think it was something related with the hour 00:00.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/STEEZY-DEO

Some people are just addicted to Duolingo. I once reached from level 15 to level 18 in one day and it took me hours :P

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/seacc3
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What is the actual value of an XP point?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mel211619

Would it be what someone would give you for it? :-)

I'd give you a cream cake for 10XP - - maybe?

1 year ago

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That seems like a pretty good deal, actually. Lol

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michelleyam
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After others have mentioned about testing out of languages, I was curious and tried with Italian and Spanish from my native English. I got to level 9 for both of them and gained almost 3900XP combined. It took maybe 30 minutes.

Based on my little test, I guess it would be possible to gain 14,000XP in a week but one would have to know many languages to test out. Other than the testing out method, I think you're right...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kansokusha
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You're the perfect candidate for another test.

Look, try resetting one of those courses, and testing out again. If my conjecture is right, your ranking board should still remember that you earned 3900xp, and add the other XPs you'll regain from testing out again. Are you in?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mel211619

1Neutrino, what did I miss here - reset a tree? How or when do you or would you do that? ( I'm a Silver Surfer, over 75, and oft times I miss how things can be done, it's an age thing )

Just curious, not intending!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kansokusha
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Duolingo gives you the possibility of resetting a whole course in the settings. I am not aware of the official reason why this is possible, but from my point of view it might be useful if you want to make a deep review of the contents from zero, to see if you missed anything. If you hover your username in the upper-right corner, you can click on "settings" and then "learning language". Once there, you'll see this (what I show in the picture). "Reset or remove languages" takes you to the menu where you can reset any language individually.

What we were discussing is related to the "leaderboard" that you can see below your "daily goal" chart in the "home" screen. After resetting a course, the ranking does not remove the points you've earned, so you can start a course, test out earning a lot of xp, and then you can reset and do it again. It is an easy way to inflate the numbers.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mel211619

Thanks 1Neutrino, explanation understood - - I would assume it's useful if you take a long-ish break away from DL, or WANT to start again from the very beginning without worrying about keeping your tree "gold" all the time.

Lingot says Thanks.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarlosLM.
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I think you get the XPs but not new lingots from level-ups

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kansokusha
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Yup, exactly. So it's basically just trolling, like I said in my reply to "hanspersson".

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BelgianStr
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... who would cheat like this.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kansokusha
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Read the original post again.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BelgianStr
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@1Neutrino, this isn't a question.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kansokusha
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Oh, I see now :/

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michelleyam
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No. I'm not in. My curiosity only goes so far. LOL

But based on what others have said on this thread, I think you're right that you retain the points after resetting. I don't know why people would game the system like that. My only goal on here is to learn foreign languages, not exert energy to gain points that have absolutely no value! :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kansokusha
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I believed in you, how could you :/

Anyway I'll do it myself, just for the fun of it.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ichthus731
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UPDATE Interestingly enough, the person with all that XP suddenly disappeared from my follower list! I found their profile again by finding the old notification of them adding me still in the drop-down menu on my profile page. Their high XP numbers have all been wiped clean! They are no more! They only have now 3000 something both in this week, this month, and since all time. Same number for all 3 categories. All followers and following have been reset to zero. It's the same thing that happened before to another one with super inflated numbers. They just disappeared, like account deleted or something. That time I didn't think to look in the old notifications to see if they still exist on Duo. It looks like sometimes Duo resets accounts if they catch hackers.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarlosLM.
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In my case I un-followed most of my +1,000,000XP friends because they were far from finishing some trees with level 25 (or they kept resetting their trees to get more points, so IMO they were more interested in gaming that in learning languages). I learned this because I was interested in knowing the different vocabulary sizes of all the courses in Duolingo (see Current vocabulary sizes of most courses in Duolingo) so I reviewed what my most advanced users had done in the courses I had access (along with other users that declared that had finished a difficult tree, like the Hungarian or Korean ones.)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ichthus731
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Carlos, what part of Spain are you from? I live in Andalucía now. I have lived in Madrid, Soria, and Catalunya too.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarlosLM.
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I was born in Canarias, at 7 yo I moved to a village in Toledo, later I lived in Albacete, and now I'm back to the same village in Toledo. Larry, what part of America are you from? And how long have you been living in Spain?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ichthus731
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Wow, Toledo itself is a wonderful, super interesting city. I have been there a couple times. I'm from Iowa in the northern central part. Not very well known at all. Off and on, all together I have probably lived in Spain 20 years!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarlosLM.
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My latest English teacher (that was years ago in university) was precisely from Iowa!! She was a little obsessed with the US culture, and from time to time we had to do homework about this subject. For example, once we had to choose a state from US and I selected Iowa!! :D (qué pelota que soy xD) So I know that you have one of the more standard dialects of all US. In another work I had to choose one of the presidents of the history of US, and he was one of the beginning of the XX century, maybe it was Woodrow Wilson, not famous here anyway)

And about your stay in Spain, this is quite a bit stretch! You must have mastered Spanish!! :D

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ichthus731
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2nd Update This guy is definitely a hacker!! His XP just jumped from 3000 to 31000 in only 2 hours!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarlosLM.
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This is really a big XP binge!! Don't get to close to them, he or she could explode!!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ichthus731
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Lol....and now a few hours later he is at 70000! He might even actually learn a few words in the process.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarlosLM.
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I think he's about to finish the first lesson! Go, Go, Go! lol

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ichthus731
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Just in the 8 minutes since I wrote that last sentence he has earned 4000 XP more!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarlosLM.
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Remember, he has earned but not learned, which is different. It's sad what addiction or too much spare time can do sometimes...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mel211619

Carlos is so right, I'm at level 21 and about 17K in XP, but I'm concentrating on keeping my tree gold and re-learning earlier lessons as prompted. We are off to Alicante province next week for a month to soak up some sun, sea and sangria, hopefully I will improve my Spanish for real in real life situations AND manage to keep my streak going, AND the XP creeping up to the next level. !Muchisimas Gracias a todo!

Para mi, Duo es excellente

I'm finding the stories good, and you can now earn a small amount of XP by getting those correct, as we say in English, it's another string to your bow!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarlosLM.
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Yo estoy haciendo las "Stories" en portugués, a mí también me gustan mucho. ¡A ver si las ponen pronto en otros idiomas! ;-)

I am doing the "Stories" in Portuguese, I also like them a lot. Let's see if they put them soon in other languages! ;-)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarlosLM.
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Mel211619, espero que lo pases genial en España, seguro que mejoras tu español. Bon voyage!! :D

Mel211619, I hope you have a great time in Spain, I'm sure you're gonna improve your Spanish. Bon voyage !! :D

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mel211619

Gracias Carlos. Principalmente vamos a Torrevieja en un apartamento con vista al mar. Llegamos en el puerto Santander desde Plymouth, y viaje a San Agustin cerca Madrid por una noche en el Hotel Juaneca. El dia proxima vamos a Torrevieja por nuestras vacaciones. Soy Escosces, y desde Edimburgo.

Thanks Carlos. Mainly we go to Torrevieja to an apartment with a sea view. We arrive at Santander port from Plymouth, and drive to San Agustin, Hotel Juaneca near Madrid for one night. The next day we travel to Torrevieja for our vacation. I am Scottish, from Edinburgh.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarlosLM.
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Buen plan, Mel!! ¡Suerte con el tiempo! :)

Good plan, Mel! Good luck with the weather! :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ichthus731
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-Now in 1 day he has gone from zero in Spanish to nearly level 25! And 25 in English. Myself, I'd rather use this great Duolingo tool to learn languages :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mel211619

Well, I'm very impressed with both of your actual working levels in English, they are excellent. I only wish I could get to that sort of level in Spanish, but I think my "75 anos" is against me, I may not have the time left. I do my best!

Yo y mi esposa, somos professores de baille, tenemos muchos anos en estilo Ingles - - Baillando con Estrellas - - pienso es el nombre en televsion espanol.

My level21 has taken me about 7 months to complete, but I am starting to find things are going a bit faster as I go on.

Thanks to both for replies and help!

1 year ago

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I was following him, but then possibly un-followed him. In fact, I un-followed all my +1,000,000 XP contacts but one (coonwp), because I didn't think they were genuine language lovers. OTOH, people with many levels-25 were also suspicious for me, so I un-followed some of them. Now I follow only what I consider the best polyglots in Duolingo and outside Duolingo, along with some Esperantists and contributors.

But I have a tool to tell if somebody has completed their trees (if they haven't reset them and have English as their base language), and I changed my mind about the importance of XPs. Now I think that the most important thing to tell an authentic polyglot, it's total vocabulary they have seen from Duolingo:

Current vocabulary sizes of most courses in Duolingo

P.S. By the way, your total count is "only" of 6583 right now, but this number is remarkable because is based on your courses from French (you know that most language courses in Duolingo are from English).

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Well, Duolingo is not precisely a very natural method to learn languages. The listening you generally get is quite robotic, because it's based on a TTS system, so you must complement your listening with other resources if you don't want to be doubting all the time if what your are listening is the right thing. I think you mean, that Duolingo gives you a base in a very artificial way, and that allows you later, to get in touch with native material comfortably, which would be IMO the most natural way to learn a language.

And regarding classes, I agree that they are not the most effective method, but some people need them for the motivation push they give you in general to keep studying your target language and improving.

1 year ago

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I think he's gonna reset the tree, and then he'll start this crazy race again, and again... He doesn't deserve your attention!

1 year ago

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Who is this "SuperGlot" ichthus? I am intrigued as to why folks do this kind of thing just for the sake of it!

There can be NO satisfaction or personal kudos in not acting truthfully in any system where trust and honour are part of the ethos as in DL - - especially when so many folks have given freely of their time and effort to help the rest of us.

Then again, maybe it is an age thing, I'm 75 years of age and perhaps have the wisdom of hindsight to appreciate tools like DL being easily available on the internet! ?

1 year ago

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His profile name was RizkiMunanda. I did report him to Duo a day or so ago and Duo takes hacking seriously because today his profile page no longer opens and instead has an Error 404 message.

1 year ago

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Yes, I stopped using English as a base language even though it is my mother tongue (except for my Portuguese course... I want to do that one in both English and French). I now use French as my base language for my courses. (Except for French, where I use German as the base language). Even though I absolutely love Duolingo, it is now what I spend the least time on to improve my languages. What I do now is listen to a ton of French and German radio and podcasts and carry them with me everywhere on my MP3 player. I also speak regularly with native speakers in both languages by Skype. I love Europe and the wonderful languages and cultures here!!

1 year ago

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By the way, Carlos.....your English is fantastic!

1 year ago

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Well done Larry, your language level is way beyond Duolingo's. In my case I'm a fan of Youtube. Over the year I've followed naturally Spanish channels, English channels, and Esperanto ones. I understand Catalan as well, but lately I've been not much in touch with the language. And now, thanks to Duolingo I can follow also Portuguese channels, and my next big goals are German and French, and my dream is to learn someday Russian, and an Asiatic language (Chinese or Japanese). And as I'm getting old, I think I'll never get to Arabic or something like that.

1 year ago

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Thanks Larry, my English writing level is high (my speaking ability I would say intermediate), but in any case near to native level, because sometimes I feel I am not expressing well, and I have to search in Google to "sound" more natural :D Well, at least I have a feeling of what's right and not in English, and the spelling checker is great to avoid silly typos :D

1 year ago

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Me too! I have some really great YouTube channels for German and French, they are super! I also understand Catalan because 14 years ago, I lived in Catalunya for 8 years. I have an app for listening to Catalan radio and TV. I'm not into politics at all, but I loved my time in Catalunya and its people and language. How did you learn English so well? (I'm presently an English teacher in Andalucía.)

1 year ago

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Well, I see my story with English more one of failure, than one of success. In school and university, they basically taught me to read English, and to write a little. But the more important skill for me that it's listening was neglected. Of course I understood English with a strong Spanish accent well, but with that baggage I was understanding practically zero the authentic native material. So it took me many years to get a decent listening skill, looking for the pronunciation of thousands of words, listening to tapes, to mp3s... And the main breakthrough I think came with Internet, where the king language is English, and you can expose yourself to native material very easily. So my motivation was high to keep studying English, and finally I could start to watch English series, like the The IT crowd (my favourite, I've seen it many times), Bewitched (the 60s series), Mind your Language :D, the Big Bang Theory, and others...

Well, at least my troubles with English has taught me the right way to learn languages: 1st pronunciation, then listening, next learn the words in context, invent your all little sentences (e.g. I've even said some simple sentences in Portuguese to my family, although they don't understand a word), and stay in contact with native material as soon as possible.

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Yes, my method too is based on a lot of listening. For me it is the most effective. I know I'm talking about my own profession here, but classes are not the most effective learning method. They do work because I've seen students move from B1 to B2 to C1 in English, but other natural methods work faster. I use Duolingo to get a basis in a language if I am starting from zero and after finishing Duolingo (and while doing Duolingo) I listen to lots of native material in the language at my level and keep increasing the level.

1 year ago

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I forgot that I finished over 30 MOOCS in English around 2 years ago, mainly in Coursera (and the rest in edX, FutureLearn, and Udacity). At first I struggled to do Peer-review works in Coursera, but little by little I got used to it, and finally I could handle many Coursera moocs at the same time... I was loving Coursera so much that I even took a few courses in French, and managed to finish most of them, but only because the homework was written in French (with an English translation available, that I was forced to read from time to time because I had misunderstood some French, and the homework wasn't going ahead). I also tried to finish one German MOOC in Coursera, but it proved to be too difficult for me, as I didn't have the language level required to finish it in a reasonable time. But I don't surrender, now with Duolingo and other resources I hope to improve my German quite a lot, my French... and all the rest!! :D

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