https://www.duolingo.com/FernandesVictor

European Portuguese

I know someone posted about this a while back and that there werent going to be different dialect courses, but that there may be a chance. I am Portuguese and most of my family is from Portugal so I would like to learn to speak the language as it is spoken in Portuguese. After seeing that Zombie and Pirate are in the incubator I find it kind of ridiculous that there cant be European portuguese. Does anybody have any information on if this could ever happen

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Chimlee

While it might be nice to be understood in Portugal, I noticed that even with my level of Brazilian Portuguese, I still cannot understand European Portuguese. So I would immediately sign up to such a course.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joannachild

I am learning European Portuguese because I live there, I am absolutely certain that if I spoke Brazilian Portuguese to my neighbours they would not understand me. Apart from there being some major differences in word usage the pronunciation is very different too. Please Duolingo offer European Portuguese!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Elen-ka
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The first time I came to Portugal I could speak only Brazilian Portuguese and everybody could understand me. I've studied both and have friends from both places. Though there are many differences in vocabulary and sometimes even in grammar Portuguese people can easily understand Brazilian Portuguese. Usually it is much more complicated the other way around because Brazilians are not used to European Portuguese, while in Portugal there are tones on TV shows in Brazilian Portuguese.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BlankName1

European Portuguese understand Brasilian Portuguese much better than the other way around.

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PedroRolo
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And could you understand conversations?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scibirg
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Doesn't matter. When you are learning a language, using the wrong dialect makes things many times harder.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rosemary210246

My husband and I are going to Portugal and hoping to learn European Portuguese. I concur, please Duolingo offer European Portuguese!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scibirg
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Use Memrise instead. Learning Brazilian will not work in practice for Portugal, unfortunately. :(

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KarrinahE

Use Memrise, it's perfect!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WiktorWalc1

Can you learn European Portuguese there?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnaTheHated

Yes, I just started the program. It's a different format than most language apps I've used, but it has European Portuguese.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rosemary210246

Thank you, it is!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MarquiseDeBat
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Well, zombie and the tow others are just jokes, we have 1st Apirl. However, as a european, I would love to see european version of languages here (same with british english or spanish spoken in spain). Or at least the main difrences pointed out somewhere...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JoSantz
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I'm Portuguese, I just wanted to add, that yes Portuguese from Brazil is easier, however, Portuguese from Portugal has great advantages if you wish to learn any other European language such as Spanish, French, Italian, etc. I contacted Duolingo about creating a Portuguese from Portugal course but I didn't get any answer so I believe it's not happening. If you contact us Portuguese with questions I think everybody will help.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jimmyplaysdrums

Yeah. I would love a European Portuguese course. Or at least get to choose that dialect in the current Portuguese course!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KarrinahE

Use Memrise

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jimmyplaysdrums

I'll give it a try. Thanks!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/QuinnMer

i think it's okay to learn basics, but for myself i've observed my portuguese accent shifted from the european pronunciation i learned originally, because i've been doing the course here. i have to stop it and go back, only because my intention is to be conservative feeling more connected to the culture of portugal. i like duolingo but i think if you're really intent on learning european portuguese, just do that, don't mess with brazilian portuguese. definitely harder to come by free resources but if you're motivated it shouldn't matter that much. you can learn from a book as long as you get experience hearing yourself and others speak.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/VladBobe

It's a disgrace that they're hatching Klingon but not European Portuguese. If there aren't going to be any dialects, then there should only be Portuguese from Portugal.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AndriLindbergs
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Agreed, European Portuguese has a very distinct flavor that the Brazilian doesn't have. I have finished the Brazilian Portuguese tree and I feel i need to start again in order to learn the original European version of Portuguese. I wonder if Spanish has the same problem. Are they teaching the European brand or the various American flavors?

I can think of many languages that I'd rather see than a made up TV language like Klingon (no offence meant to Star trek fans). How about Icelandic, Fareoese and Finnish? Latin, Greek, Sanskit or even ancient Egyptian would be more useful than Klingon.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tiffy2xx2

Can I add my voice to the plea for European Portuguese; its difficult not knowing if what you're learning is going to be of any use ultimately

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/alexinIreland
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According to the page on the course (https://www.duolingo.com/course/pt/en), you will be understood in Portugal if you take the Duolingo course (even though it is mainly Brazilian Portuguese) BTW, the Zombie and Pirate courses are just April Fools' Day jokes...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jamesalex1

However you may not be able to understand EP! Speaking and listening are not the same skill

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scibirg
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That is not my experience. It wasn't until I started learning European Portuguese on Memrise that I was understood in Portugal.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TugaDances

I just checked Memrise and as a Portuguese native I can say the courses created by the company are of very good quality, but what amazed me even more is the amount of other courses created by Portuguese natives!

It is definitely a good place to start and to end! I bet if they haven't covered all the learning aspects of the language already, they will soon do (there's even a 5000 words course, which makes my little effort of placing 500 words in Youtube quite tiny :´).

(I'm actually going to learn some Chinese in there, thanks!)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FernandesVictor

Glad to hear those are jokes. They sounded absolutely absurd to me.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AndriLindbergs
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I highly support having the original European Portuguese taught on Duolingo. It would be my first choice of study. There is no doubt that European Duolinguists would prefer the original, in addition to the current Brazilian flavor of Portuguese.

If it is the matter of how many speak continental Portuguese (Maybe 10 million is not enough) then I wonder how many speak Klingon (and I'm not opposed to that course).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jamesalex1

Cannot you volunteer to work on a course? I don't think it is as simple as anyone speaking BP or EP can understand anyone from the other country, Brazil is a big place and there are many variations in pronunciation and accent and dialect. Some people may be able to understand another from the other country, but not everyone, or even most.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Daoryn
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There's also the issue that Duolingo names the language "Portuguese" instead of "Portuguese (Brazil)". This makes it harder (impossible) to create a new "Portuguese" (from Portugal) variant on the incubator. I'd definitely contribute to that.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ecoffin
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I would also love this. I am traveling to Portugal (again) and am trying to the learn at least a little bit of the language. I am very disappointed that the European version isn't available on here.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mystery909

I really hope they add one too, I am living in Portugal now it would really help :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chris24guzman

My business and personal contacts are in Portugal and Spain. Also I started with EU Portuguese already when I was working in Lisbon so I would not want to switch. The differences in the brazillian app are too many. Please release an EU Portuguese (and Castilian Spanish) version soon!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piccirillofabio
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I am also European Portuguese and I think there should be a course for it as I would love to learn it and be fluent as Brazilian Portuguese is different.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TugaDances

I'm Portuguese and I uploaded a few videos where I slowly pronounce hundreds of different phrases/words (each repeated 3 times): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdEij6idg_Q

I'm taking requests for any other expressions you might find interesting to hear or learn, which I'll gladly record and upload as soon as I can. I'll appreciate any suggestions to improve.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Oleg699238

I work with colleagues from Portugal and started learning Portuguese here to speak with them. However when I said them couple of phrases they told right away: "it's not common, we don't speak like that, maybe you learnt the brazilian"? So for communication with them it makes no sense for me to learn portuguese on Duolingo unless it will be European Portuguese. Unfortunately...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scibirg
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Try Memrise.com. It's European Portuguese and there are videos of locals speaking it.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Oleg699238

will try, thank you!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DesireeFern

You can also try Portugueselab.com

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KarrinahE

Thanks for this suggestion, for someone leaning European Portuguese, this is VERY helpful!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lorna969338

Brexit means that we need to pass a, for us in our 70s, stringent Portuguese written, comprehension and oral exam. I have been using the Duolingo Portuguese course and it has helped a lot but it is Brazilian. Our Madeiran friends and neighbours can tell that I am learning the Brazilian version and while kind about it are upset. Please, please make a mainland version as soon as possible. We don't want to be forced to leave Madeira because we can't qualify for dual citizenship.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scibirg
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http://www.memrise.com has European Portuguese. I am only on level 1 and there are 10 levels. Level 1 has 210 words....! There is an app for Android and Apple. Until Duolingo gets their act together Memrise is the way to go.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Oleg699238

Agree. I also switched to Memrise

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AngelaSharot
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I am going on holiday to Madeira. I want to learn Portuguese for Madeira this year. Next year I shall probably visit Portugal. I want to learn Portuguese, not Brazilian Portuguese. I am also learning Spanish. I am very disappointed that Duolingo seems to be aimed at Americans and people in South America. I thought I was learning Portuguese. I now wonder whether my course in Spanish has also been a waste of my time. To not make it clear that the course is Brazilian Portuguese is misleading. I have also written many blog posts on learning Portuguese. I now think I have misled people. It is verging on misleading under the trades descriptions act. Regardless of the law, it is misleading people. It misled me. it undermines my faith in Duolingo.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tmarvin
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I am not a fluent Portuguese speaker, and have never been to Portugal or Brazil. That said, my understanding is that Duolingo alone will not take a learner far enough for the distinctions between European and Brazilian Portuguese to be important.

However, there are some good books you can use to augment your learning. Edwin B. Williams' 'An Introductory Portuguese Grammar' is a great resource, if old, and is focused on European Portuguese, noting Brazilian differences. The useful '501 Portuguese Verbs' reference also touches on these differences, like the distinction between falamos and falámos.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/feastguy101

Well, as a native, I can assure you people here will understand you if you speak Brazilian Portuguese. Actually, they will love you for making the effort to learn and will try to help you. :D However, I do admit it is frustrating to fail at some questions here because the way we say a phrase is not listed in the answers. I merely signed up for "Brazilian" because I wanted to be able to pay back the site for helping me to learn German by translating some articles. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KTKee-EnglishEng
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Do you ever hear foreigners speak a mix of Portuguese and Brazilian and does it sound really weird? I think I probably do that as I listen to both. I can't say I notice it when foreigners speak English, I mainly notice some people (often from the middle east) speaking with strong American accents.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/feastguy101

Nope, that I have never heard. But don't worry about it, people here (or, I am guessing) in Brazil will LOVE you for taking the time to learn the language, which is not easy to learn and can be treacherous :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AllieBlack2

Pimsleur offern a course in European Portuguese, not free but very reasonable and they have a great mobile version.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cinthiia_mc
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I suggest you to do the tree and at the same time search for the differences between Pt-Pt and Pt-Br on the web and also watch vlogs from Portuguese speakers on youtube (that might help a lot more in your hearing/speaking than Duolingo, anyway). I guess, it's the same for all courses here, you learn the basics, but if you want to talk like a person from a specific city/country, you have to search it for yourself. Duo can't do that for you.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnaTheHated

I concur! Continental/European Portuguese is hugely different from Brazilian. I am a native Euro Portuguese speaker and have a very difficult time understanding Brazilian, as Brazilian is a dialect of Portuguese. It would be great to be able to practice the original language, one which is widely used around the world.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FernandesVictor

spoken in Portugal* not portuguese lol

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FernandesVictor

Are the spelling of words the same? For example: if I just memorize how words are spelled and then listen to portuguese music or watch Portuguese television/movies will I be able to pick up on the pronunciation?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StefanieRe9

Some of the words are very different. Ananas is pineapple in European Portguese. Abacaxi is pineapple in Brazilian Portuguese. D's are pronounced like J's in Brazilian Portuguese. So instead of de onde, it sounds like gee on-gee.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RonellaW

I think the grammar and spelling are mostly the same, only some words are different (celular/telemóvel, trem/comboio), but I haven't come across anything shockingly different so far (while reading portuguese websites, maybe more differences exist in spoken language, I can't tell ya)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Elen-ka
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No, the grammar is not always the same. For example, the usage of gerund ( estou fazendo vs estou a fazer). There are more particular cases that are not the same in Brazilian and European Portuguese.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SrDilworth
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Not exactly. There are parts of Portugal where people use the gerund instead of the infinitive in the present progressive tense

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/feastguy101

I have been to Brazil, and I can tell you that, while the language is essentially the same and the grammar and spelling alike are the same, the pronunciation is completely different. Portuguese in a Brazilian tongue sounds beautiful, while we just sound like depressed Russians :P

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Laneswaw

Actually, as far as I know, here in Brazil we speak something too similar to European Portuguese from sixteenth and seventeenth century (mainly in the pronunciation). By the way I'm proud for speak Portuguese... My thought is that's a very beautiful language. I like the Brazilian accent (however there are many), but I like the Portuguese accent too.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Elen-ka
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What's wrong with sounding like Russian? I was told it's a beautiful language.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/feastguy101

Just saying what I heard. I know for a fact that it doesn't sound too good... I had people tell me that already.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AndriLindbergs
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Yes, continental Portuguese does sound a bit like Russian (at least to novices like me), but therein lies some of it's beauty. It is a profound language!

2 years ago
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