Duolingo is the most popular way to learn languages in the world. Best of all, it's 100% free!

https://www.duolingo.com/szhg

Chinese? Chinese!

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大家好!

I’m Zan (or 金泽养 in Chinese), a Product Manager at Duolingo.

In an AMA earlier this year, our CEO and co-founder, Luis promised a Mandarin Chinese course by the end of the year. And lo and behold, here’s an official announcement that the Duolingo team is working on this as we speak! We have an Incubator page to prove it.

Other details to follow such as our exact launch date this year, how we’re going to teach tones (tones!), and more. The course page should also go live very, very soon.

谢谢! Zan

[edit] Just as was the case with Japanese and Korean, Chinese will first be released on Android and iOS, as those platforms are ready to receive the special exercise types created especially for those languages. We want to release these courses on web as well. First important step to make that possible was also announced today!

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Lemniscatarum
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Thank you for working on this! Will it be released for iOS/Android or web first?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vivisaurus
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This will be Android/iOS for the same reasons as Japanese and Korean (the exercise types). The post will be updated. We of course want to release it on web as well, just like Japanese and Korean. We know it sucks we can't make it available on all platforms at once. =[ The new exercise design change karint announced today should take us closer to these languages being available on web though!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rhabarberbarbara
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Thanks for the update. Just wondering: I think Duolingo promised Japanese would be on the web this year. If Chinese, which according to the incubator page is planned for mid december, will be app-only as well, does that mean you don't expect the courses for web to be ready this year after all?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DiegoJaviUnlam
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Parabéns Vivisaurus! I see the new exercise design on the web is really faster. Thanks for the adding of all these languages. This is the best year of Duolingo indeed!!! I need to say the Team work is... スーパーカリフラジリスティックエクスピアリドーシャス。 =))) (Sorry, I wanted to find a translation in Chinese of this incredible word!!!) ;)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cazort
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I really dislike the favoring of the Android/iOS apps, especially given that the web app is a much more effective way to learn languages (at least in my experience). I'd rather you develop for the most serious users first. If people are really serious about learning a particular language, they can find a way to use the web app.

Favoring the smartphone apps, shows a sense of priorities that I don't like and don't support, and it would make me less likely to want to financially support DuoLingo if I had the option. I would gladly donate money if it could be used towards giving the web app a priority.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vivisaurus
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Hi cazort. I hear you, and feel the need to write a reminder that all of us (users and staff) compromise and don't get everything we want immediately; because some things are impossible, some things make sense, other results are preferable to others. The priorities and projects depend many things, and an important one is the developers working on each team. We are smaller than people often realize, and not all teams have all types of platforms developers. But, we have to make choices, we want to keep moving forward and deliver cool things to everyone on Duolingo, and so we opt for getting started as soon as we can rather than waiting. Other two things worth considering in regards to your comment is that 1) launching on mobile reachers a much bigger number of learners so it is not unreasonable (they message us too) 2) We will get disappointed people and unhappy messages either way. :( Despite the disappointment, we hope you are enjoying the other bits of Duolingo, and please remember the intention is to bring all of these things to web as well.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mel211619

I'm currently using DL for Spanish and find it suits me to have it on my tablet as well as my laptop, but using the Opera browser on the tablet allows me an easy switch between web and android!

I think I will be happy to to get to a mid level in Mandarin, but as soon as it is generally out there on DL, I'm in!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zackarySmi3

Just because YOU think that the web is better, does not mean that any one of us that use the app are any less serious about learning languages than you are. Plus, with languages like Japanese, and Chinese where the alphabet of the language is not a Latin based Alphabet, but is in fact a symbolic alphabet with hundreds of characters, it becomes VERY difficult to have a way to type characters and get the correct characters on a web based program accessed from a traditional computer keyboard, while on the other hand, smartphones have the option to add other keyboards for these languages specifically. And the Duolingo team releasing the course on mobile first does not in any way show a form of priority towards the app, or any sort of preference. And I personally, (as a user of the app) resent your implication that people who use the app are any less serious about learning languages than you are. Not everyone has a computer, and thus the smartphone becomes another way to learn.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cazort
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Apologies, I think I made an overstatement or overgeneralization. I can see how you would find this offensive, especially because I made a statement about other people's intentions.

Let me reword this:

I would imagine that most people who speak English natively and are serious about learning Chinese, Japanese, or Korean, would be able to find a way to use the web app.

I disagree about input methods for character-based languages. In my experience, setting up input methods has been trivially easy on modern computers; most OS's have various input methods installed by default and it's just a question of enabling them in the settings. I have done this for both Chinese and Japanese, and I've found most computers have a variety of different input methods available by default, with no additional installation.

Contrast with smartphones where you need to install a separate app and then configure it. In some cases you need multiple downloads, first downloading a keyboard app and then downloading a separate language pack. Also, because these things are made by third parties and not built into the OS, there is often more choice and research you need to do before getting a good method. At least this has been my experience...whereas on a computer I have always found the built-in input methods to be adequate.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mike300829

If you are already using Swiftkey, installing Chinese handwriting recognition is trivial. As a user of HelloChinese, I can tell you that SwiftKey has better character recognition than HelloChinese; however, inexplicapbly, SwiftKey does not have a proper pinyin character set that installs with Chinese Pinyin. You get the correct set with Maori, of all things, but without prediction.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jang101

It's okay, cazort. No need to be sorry

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/David518500
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As an owner of a Samsung Note 3 and an Ubuntu user on my PC, my experience has been the opposite. Installing a Chinese keyboard on my phone was trivially easy; I just added the extra language in system settings. In Ubuntu you have to install a package AND change your settings. I acknowledge that that is down to my particular combination of OS's, but the point is generalizations don't necessarily work here.

I also disagree that a web interface is necessarily a "much more effective way to learn". For me, being effective at learning isn't just about the quality of the learning method, it's also about ease of access. The easier the access, the more likely I am to actually do it. With apps on my phone, I'm likely to pull it out when I'm sat on a bus, waiting for the kettle to boil, standing in a queue, etc. I'm constantly motivated to do it because it's so easy and helps to kill otherwise wasted time. On the other hand, using a website requires (1) an internet connection, (2) making a conscious effort to sit down at a PC. It has it's place, but it's not as spontaneous as using an app, and it's not available in all the same situations as a phone (whereas the opposite is not true).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kiyomice

"I would imagine that most people who speak English natively and are serious about learning Chinese, Japanese, or Korean, would be able to find a way to use the web app." - Okay, the same thing could be said for the reverse? "I would imagine most people who are serious about learning would be able to find a way to use mobile app". There's no reason why one should be prioritized over the other, given your logic, because if someone is serious, then they'll find a way to use it regardless. (Using your own words). Now, me? I personally am waiting for Korean to be available on the web. But I'm not going to sit here and complain that it should be on the web instead of the mobile app. Why would they favor one type of audience over the next? Your logic honestly makes no sense to me.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ISpeakAlien
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The app does not support Tips & Notes, which are very useful.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Valeriajoaquin

I‘m currently using Chinese Skill to learn Mandarin. I'm really curious if Duolingo's mandarin course will adopt anything from Chinese Skill. Maybe the character writing feature?? It would be a shame to not know how to write a few characters ...

1 year ago

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I also use Chinese Skill, but I'm really looking forward to whatever Duolingo releases. I've got a few Mandarin apps and they're all helpful, but they don't have that Duolingo appeal.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CS5j2C

exactly...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Albrechtion
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What have you been doing to review the lessons you've already learned? I've found that trying to keep all the strength bars full on the ChineseSkill app is virtually impossible, so I've been using a Memrise course someone made with the app's vocabulary.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/leonlagrey
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I love to find that out too.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/awesomemory

probably iOS knowing Duolingo.. I just discovered a gem from Reddit the other day. There's a new android app called LingoDeer that's providing Chinese, Japanese and Korean in duolingo style with good grammar notes. I used it myself and would recommend it to anyone who needs to learn those 3 languages.

1 year ago

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Cool!, I'll give that a try.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeiferB

WHAT?!? CHINESE IS BEING ADDED TO THE INCUBATOR?!? IS THIS THE AFTERLIFE?!?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/OmegaGmaster
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Good question.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sebi1909
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Awesome! Are you going to teach traditional or simplified characters?

1 year ago

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Yes. Please support both.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/eelingoooo

Supporting both is natural and easy. The hellochinese app is an example.

1 year ago

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If it comes down to a choice, simplified is the only one which makes sense for first implementation- it is by far the most widely used on the mainland, and traditional is almost illegible to most people educated there at least since the cultural revolution, even among the highly educated. I don't really see why anyone would learn traditional unless they are Chinese literary academics, or focused on Hong Kong or Taiwan or Macao. If you already know simplified and want to learn traditional, I think this would be the wrong place to do that.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KhuChunSiang

Using simplified is great!

1 year ago

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How did you learn chinese? You're already level 6 on it

11 months ago

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Well, I signed up for alpha testing when Duolingo advertised it on the forums and was accepted on October 21. But you only need to wait for eight days to get a chance. The course is great and it's worth the wait.

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RazvanMiha

How can I apply for it? In which forum? Is there a link?

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SchlaueAffe
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Is it in simplified or traditional?

11 months ago

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It's simplified.

10 months ago

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8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RobinCard
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I have made an extension for chrome that can be installed here that will show traditional instead of simplified characters so if you want to learn traditional as I did, now you can!

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/duolingo-simplified-to-tr/clnnjdojceobnkhkocigpboialomopfk

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeZacky
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I would put money on it being Simplified Chinese only, at least at first.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RobinCard
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well you can use traditional with this extension, we have 100% of the characters now.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/duolingo-chinese-word-def/clnnjdojceobnkhkocigpboialomopfk

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KhuChunSiang

Great!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cheeseballoon
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Judging from the language of this post and the flag icon they chose, I'll assume simplified characters are guaranteed, but I'll be very disappointed if they don't at least present the user with the option to switch to traditional. Since this seems to be an official Duolingo project, it should be a simple programming task for them to enable both, or at the very least accept keyboard input from either system.

加油,多鄰國!我相信你們會設計一門很棒的課程。

PS: Traditional would be easier for all the students coming from the Japanese course... just sayin' ;-)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RobinCard
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You can switch between traditional and simplified with this extension, even mid-lesson.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/duolingo-chinese-word-def/clnnjdojceobnkhkocigpboialomopfk

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Far-quaad
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I believe it will just be simplified characters and mandarin, someday we will hopefully have the others as well

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RobinCard
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I have also written an extension for chrome that can be installed here that will show traditional instead of simplified characters :)

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/duolingo-simplified-to-tr/clnnjdojceobnkhkocigpboialomopfk

10 months ago

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Great! Now we need a Cantonese course!!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/OmegaGmaster
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Let's not get hasty. As much as I want one too, Duolingo said they do not have immediate plans to add other Chinese languages. Plus it took us forever to get Mandarin in the works, so let's not push it.

1 year ago

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I'm not being hasty, I just think that I personally would like a Cantonese course :)

1 year ago

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I'd like an MSA or Egyptian Arabic course as well. Plus I am sure people would love a Finnish course(Most requested language on Duo ever I think) but I'll be happy with Mandarin and Japanese till then.

1 year ago

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Finnish would be interesting! But so would estonian, Inupiaq, and cantonese!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RobinCard
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I guess the difference is around 60,000,00 people speak Cantonese in Hong Kong, Guangzhou and the surrounding areas.

8 months ago

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when the first has come, the others could come to - It is like Pandora's box

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/krpw1204

Perfect!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mike300829

I would like a Shanghaiese course, please.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KhuChunSiang

Great, Duolingo need Tâi-gí(Taiwanese) as well and I can help on it!:)

Check this ball comic made by Tâi-oân-kiû. https://i.imgur.com/Q7zBxSh.png

Main source:補足台灣語言文化脈絡,許多從夢中醒來的掙扎,應該只有台灣人通(能)體會?https://goo.gl/NeV3K4

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RobinCard
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I'm the guy who worked on the traditional extension, I am working on a Cantonese extension, the audio will take roughly 5 months to complete. traditional extension

I've begged Duolingo to allow me make a Cantonese course but they ignore me, it's stupid that I have to make a course on top of a course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lybp-h59Hjg

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/krpw1204

I'm not crying, there's just something in my eyes......

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MasterZsword
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It looks like Mandarin Chinese ethusiasts are finally getting what they have been asking for! Thank you for sharing this update with us!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LazyEinstein
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EDIT: Alpha testing now.... (So good btw!)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fab.inked.mama

I also never stuck with Duolingo because it never had what I wanted. Once I heard about Japanese, I came running back. I am in love with the Japanese course and SUPER excited to have a Mandarin course.

Btw, I love seeing accounts where the user has every language. Good job haha. Now you just need to get most of them to higher levels.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KhuChunSiang

wow

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/johnarnold
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Awesome. That was my request on the pre-release of Duolingo. It has been a long wait.

FYI, a mistake in Japanese is that sound and text do not always pop up together---since there is always sound, phonetic, character....if the question has one, the other two should show up in the answer. This would make learning much faster.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JackGreatorex

Yay! Looking forward to that!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vcel10
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That's great news! I saw a video not too long ago about tones. It was intimidating but very interesting.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NeonMoogle
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This is wonderful!!

1 year ago

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To which I answer: CHINESE!!!!! (please read this with tremendous excitement and happiness, and also gratefulness for all your hard work)

1 year ago

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☆ NICE ☆

1 year ago

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That's great news! Thanks for sharing. And many thanks for all your hard work!

1 year ago

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    我很高兴 :D! I'm so, so, so after ten minutes i'm so happy of the news!!

    I'm already studying it on my own but i cannot wait to use your course. 谢谢你!

    1 year ago

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    我也很期待通过多令国学更多的中文!!!

    1 year ago

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      Oh my gosh i'm lost, my level is not advanced like yours xD, i have started only 1 month ago ahahahaha xD.

      ...ehmm...我不知道 xD. After 15 minutes i've realised that i've used the wrong sentence (我不明白, silly me).

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Leon296232
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      the official Chinese name of Duolingo is 多邻国

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/LeonardoN.M
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      Very cool!

      1 year ago

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      So excited! How long will the course be?

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Far-quaad
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      Hooray!! I can't wait for it! Mandarin is one of my favorite languages!

      1 year ago

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      Absolutely fantastic, great news :-D :-D :-D

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Hyllning

      Thank you Zan, I cannot wait for the course.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Robert_Andersson

      HURRAH!

      Honestly, I have no immediate plan to learn Chinese (and good that, because it seems the course incubating will take a while ;)) but I am very happy to hear that the opportunity will be avaliable in the future. I'll just have to see. Who knows? Maybe I will need some Chinese language skills in the future!

      P.S. Will you be teaching People's Republic of China-Chinese or more Taiwan Chinese? I'm guessing the former, since it's more wide-spread, but one take both variants, doesn't one?

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/LeviPolasak

      I hope it's the Beijing Chinese dialect

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/pearl.ming
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      I'm assuming it's standardized Chinese, like the ones you see on TV.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Robert_Andersson

      Which standardization? Mainland Chinese of Taiwanese Chinese? ;)

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/pearl.ming
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      Mainland, think I read up sometime ago that they're only accepting "simplified" characters as the teaching medium

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/KhuChunSiang

      Great, Tâi-oân(Taiwan) have their own language and local immigrants culture from east Asia or other places, such as Tâi-oân language(Tâi-gí/Taiwanese, ha̍k-ka, different groups of Austronesian)

      Just don't learn Mandarin in Tâi-oân, learn PRCHINA one. The only reason it exists(in Tâi-oân) is because of the violence structure colonial ruling by republic of CHINA, the illegal ROCHINA, in politic, culture, economy for more than 70 years...although "this CHINA" through people's sacrifice had became kind of democracy but the colonial structure still remains.

      Sadly to say, the current situation is still under roCHINA ruling and Tâi-oân state/nation have not be found by Tâi-oân people.

      Check this ball comic made by Tâi-oân-kiû. https://i.imgur.com/Q7zBxSh.png

      Main source:補足台灣語言文化脈絡,許多從夢中醒來的掙扎,應該只有台灣人通(能)體會?https://goo.gl/NeV3K4

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/elvper
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      Awesome

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Espiraden

      I don't think I've been this excited for a course before :)
      Thank you so much Zan and the rest of the team!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/JAndrzej

      Fan-tas-tic!!!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Woof.
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      Yess! Thank you so much! We appreciate all the work you do for us to continually make this website better! Thank you! Thank you! Finally! Mandarin Chinese at last!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/cheezus
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      Awesome!!!!!!!!!! My friend is living in China. I would love to be able to practice!!!!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/P-Code
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      Wooo!! :)

      We definitely need Japanese and Korean on the web, so it's good to see that the Duo team is working on making that possible.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/aliceltb

      This has made my whole day!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/RPatDolan
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      Super mega pumped for this! Duo giving eastern languages some love is super awesome!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Maughanster_
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      Woohoo! This is probably the course I'm most excited for, even before Indonesian! Thank you, Duolingo, for making this happen!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/screechfox

      Nice! I got the chance to sign up for a weekly Mandarin class while I'm doing my A Levels, so I'm looking forward to having this as a way to supplement that!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/lil.lou
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      This is incredible news!! Thank you, Zan!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Sofia_Williams
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      Yay! I've been waiting for it for a long time!!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/MikeMcClainP
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      God bless duolingo, I've been waiting so long for this! Thank you so much to those contributing to the course and helping create it! I can't wait till it's here! ^^

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/xaghtaersis
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      Awesome!! One step closer to finishing my language list!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Ktea303

      I have been waiting for Chinese forever! I'm so excited!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/eelingoooo

      This is COOOOOOL! Have been using the HelloChinese app for a some time. It's a very good one and I have got some basics like Pinyin and basic sentence structures. Hope duo can build an even better course than hellochinese

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/FilipFilip17
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      I hope the Chinese course will simultaneously be released for the web and mobile. It seems that preliminary work has started on porting Japanese and Korean to the web. So hopefully, these changed will be implemented by the time Chinese is released.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Fauzan836172

      Great news! Will you be teaching the characters (Pinyin, I think?) ? And won't releasing it this year itself be too hectic for you? I would love this course to be out ASAP, but quality of the course shouldn't be compromised and our Special Contributors shouldn't feel pressurized with expectations, since this course was one of the most-awaited by many here. Good luck :)

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/pers3ph0ne

      yay! i've been using Ninchanese and i really love it but i always did wish there'd be a Mandarin course on here. a humble request though... please don't forget us windows phone users :'3

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Lingvist444285
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      Finally! Make it for the web as fast as possible! :)

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Medard
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      I can't wait to start learning Mandarin!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/benjer7
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      Do we know yet how many characters will be taught in the course?

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/FilipFilip17
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      https://www.duolingo.com/mike.laude
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      Yeah! Arabic next year?

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/LazyEinstein
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      Life would be perfect if this came true.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/sharon822547
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      yes! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/lingolangs
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      Yay! Very exciting!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/LangFocusFan

      I heard about Chinese coming and I literally made an account just for this.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/LuckyDucky6

      Thank you! <3

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Emma151979

      wow! thanks Zan!

      1 year ago

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      YESSSSSSSSS!!!!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/DinkaMailer
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      Can't wait to learn Chinese on Duo! Thank You for making this happen!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Knoxienne
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      Thank you so much! Looking forward to it!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/JackGreatorex

      Wow! how long have you been using Duolingo? Impressive.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Knoxienne
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      Thank you! Since Spring of '13. :)

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/hashirinnegan

      That's incredible!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/dubhglasM

      I'm keen to learn the language Mandarin, as opposed to the character-based writing system (ie Hanzi). This is probably a big ask, but I'm hoping that the Duolingo course will support learning the language through pinyin, as that is recognised as the best and quickest way for students to learn.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/IceAly
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      Do you not consider writing a part of language? As someone currently living in China, I can tell you that knowing characters is incredibly useful. I need them to order at a restaurant, to read signs, to read packaging in the grocery store, and to communicate with people I meet who don't speak standard Mandarin when I travel.

      It takes a lot of time, and I understand why people are hesitant to get into learning characters, but if you ever want to use the language in China or read anything in Chinese other than learning materials, pinyin isn't very useful.

      Learning Chinese only with pinyin makes as much sense as learning English using only the International Phonetic Alphabet or the Cyrillic Alphabet. You could do it and learn to speak the language, but you wouldn't have access to any written materials in that language. Which is a shame, since reading can be a great way to study a language.

      Also, a lot of words in Chinese have the same or similar pronunciation. Sometimes even native speakers have to ask each other, "Which 'shi' are you talking about?" and write down the character. There is a famous poem that plays with this. The pinyin/oral Chinese is indecipherable. The character version makes sense: « Shī Shì shí shī shǐ »

      Shíshì shīshì Shī Shì, shì shī, shì shí shí shī.

      Shì shíshí shì shì shì shī.

      Shí shí, shì shí shī shì shì.

      Shì shí, shì Shī Shì shì shì.

      Shì shì shì shí shī, shì shǐ shì, shǐ shì shí shī shìshì.

      Shì shí shì shí shī shī, shì shíshì.

      Shíshì shī, Shì shǐ shì shì shíshì.

      Shíshì shì, Shì shǐ shì shí shì shí shī.

      Shí shí, shǐ shí shì shí shī shī, shí shí shí shī shī.

      Shì shì shì shì.

      《施氏食狮史》

      石室诗士施氏,嗜狮,誓食十狮。

      氏时时适市视狮。

      十时,适十狮适市。

      是时,适施氏适市。

      氏视是十狮,恃矢势,使是十狮逝世。

      氏拾是十狮尸,适石室。

      石室湿,氏使侍拭石室。

      石室拭,氏始试食是十狮。

      食时,始识是十狮尸,实十石狮尸。

      试释是事。

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/dubhglasM

      No, writing is not a part of language, writing is a technology, a set of symbols that are used to arbitrarily represent some aspect of language — typically they represent sounds, but of course Hanzi often have a semantic component and a phonetic component. But I'm not saying one should not learn characters, just that one has to learn the language in order to read it and learning characters at the same time as learning the language makes the task vastly harder. On the other hand, pinyin (or similar systems with a straightforward relationship between sounds and symbols) is very easy to learn and use while learning the language. There's abundant evidence that this is the best way to learn Chinese, see my links in my post replying to Colin2202. And characters are much easier to learn once one has a reasonable command of the language.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/dubhglasM

      And re the lots of words with similar pronunciation, it's often raised as a problem but it happens in English too (eg the well-known 'Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo', or 'that that is is that that is not is not is that it it is'). This is a limitation inherent in all writing systems to some degree and much less so in speaking. Anyway, to repeat, I want to learn the language (=speaking and hearing) and its well-established that the quickest and best way to do this is by hearing it and speaking it, but some means of recording is necessary and pinyin is the simplest. And this does not preclude learning some characters while learning the language, and then once the language is fairly well learnt, to then focus on learning them. But you'll know if you've ever looked at what native-speaking Chinese kids spend so much of their school day doing, drilling characters, that it takes a huge effort and much time to become truly literate in characters, which is a key reason why literacy is so poor in China.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Colin2202
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      Just a couple notes, Mandarin has ~1,200 different syllables (~400 without tone distinctions) while English has ~12,000, so the number of homophones isn't really comparable.

      Also, your information about literacy is out of date. Currently the literacy rate is around 96%, and is almost 100% among young people. You can also look at Hong Kong and Taiwan which also have nearly 100% literacy.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/dubhglasM

      Ok, the 4% illiteracy figure is presumably the government one from 2010, right? That's usually considered grossly wrong as large segments of the rural population (espec women and peasants) are illiterate, knowing many fewer than the government's minimum literacy standard of 1,500 characters. And re the homophony, it doesn't cause problems in speaking, right? Or are you saying that Chinese speakers can't understand each other because of the homophones? So while homophony might be a problem when dealing with isolated words, as my pinyin reading native speaking Chinese friends tell me, it's rarely a problem in actual texts

      But to reiterate, I'm not saying that characters should not be learned. I'm saying that to read a text (whatever writing system it's written in) it is necessary first to have sufficient knowledge of the language to be able to understand the text; that there is substantial evidence that it's quicker to learn the language by avoiding the characters at first, and instead using a rapidly-acquired writing system such as pinyin; and that once a fair command of the language is acquired then characters can be learned more rapidly and easily.

      I think I'll end my comments on this issue now, I just hope that the Duolingo people base their course on the best pedagogy.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Mike300829

      No. Learning to speak is not the same as learning a new language in a later stage of life. As a literate human, writing and reading become an immediate way to use the new language and may or may not be more or less important than speech. As I said, social media changes the mix, and PhD programs often have a second language reading requirement.

      Pinyin is a very valuable tool for providing a phonetic insight into Chinese languages, but it is no substitute for learning to read. You may be able to impress people in a bar, but functional literacy in a language requires the ability to read it. It is pointless to learn speech fluency without reading literacy. Assuming that you are an adult.

      There needs to be a balanced emphasis on written language, at least for standard fonts if not necessarily calligraphy.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Colin2202
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      Not the "best" if you plan to actually read anything. Also, there seems to be some misunderstanding, but the Mandarin writing system is not some universal, Chinese writing. Writing in other dialects and classical Chinese is not the same, even though many of the characters are the same.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/dubhglasM

      The Sinologists I know agree that the best way to learn the language is to leave learning characters until a fair degree of fluency has been achieved. There's no point trying to read things if you don't know the language! In case you're interested, here's a nice discussion of this issue by Victor Mair at Languagelog: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=10554

      My personal experience visiting China is that the language is not terribly hard for English speakers, but learning the writing system is a huge task... here's a bit of discussion of that: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=189

      BTW sorry if it's not clear, but I'm referring throughout to Standard Mandarin, ie Putonghua. I'm not sure what your point is re other Chinese languages or Classical Chinese, I mentioned neither.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Colin2202
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      Don't get me wrong. I think the characters are best in small doses and writing is probably not too important in the modern era. However, the wait-until-they're-verbally-fluent approach meantioned in your link smacks too much of the grammar teaching of my school days. I think it's key to get people learning things they can actually use early, and speaking in genuine contexts is usually much harder than reading where you're not rushed. If you don't use the language, it's very easy to lose motivation.

      From personal experience, I learned some characters first, then learned speaking, listening, and reading together. Admittedly, it's hard to conclude stuff from personal experience, but learning the characters definitely felt like it helped me distinguish between the ungodly number of homophones, and learn new words which were made out of characters I knew.

      Regarding other dialects: I think I misunderstood you. It sounded like you were saying that "Hanzi" was a writing system (disconnected from Mandarin), when it's really just a way of writing (not unlike the Roman alphabet) used by many different languages.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Mike300829

      I think the modern era includes social media which causes me to question whether spoken language is actually where my best chance is to use Mandarin, especially since Shanghaiese is the most common non-English language spoken in my household.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/In.TheMoonlight

      So excited! I need to get better at my chinese and this will be the perfect way to do so!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/chrytoo
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      Awesome, because I've been waiting for this since 221 BCE!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/JacobMMcGee
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      非常感谢!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/LazyEinstein
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      一種語言永遠不夠 !

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/JacobMMcGee
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      我同意!那是繁体字吗?

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Valeriajoaquin

      This is great news for all of us who waited so damn long. But knowing Duolingo, I'm not going to risk disappointing myself by expecting a perfect Chinese course delivered promptly. Duolingo's Korean and Japanese courses turned out to be hasty and patchy. It's just adding a language for the sake of adding. In comparison, even a really new app, LingoDeer, which has been recommended by many on reddit, beats Duolingo easily. If you want to learn Chinese, your needs can be and, for a pretty long time, will continue to be satisfied by apps/sites like LingoDeer, ChineseSkill, The Chairman Bao, Yoyo Chinese etc.. Good luck, Duolingo!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
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      LingoDeer looks interesting, but, unfortunately, it does not appear to exist on iOS so I am unable to try it out.
      Anyone will be disappointed who expects a 'perfect' course from the outset. The existence of rival apps teaching any of these languages is good as it gives Duolingo an incentive to continually improve rather than atrophy.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/dubhglasM

      Hi I just checked and LingoDeer is available for iOS, maybe it's just arrived.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Fernando-SC
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      I checked and it seems to have been added to the app store, but it says it's unavailable in my country =/ How unfortunate. Maybe some of the others who couldn't find it are also from regions where it's not available.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/dubhglasM

      Oh, sorry, didn't think of that... seems odd that such an app would be country-restricted, maybe they're just rolling it out slowly.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/IceAly
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      In all fairness, I think the Japanese course is still in beta. I think a lot of people saw that they could start the Japanese course and thought it was finished, but beta testing is still part of the development stage.

      Thanks for the tip about LingoDeer, I want to try it.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Mike300829

      Well, this is good news, sorta. I completed the Italian course a little while back, and struggled with it. Since I got back from Italy I have switched to HelloChinese, and after months with Duolingo, it is a breath of fresh air. The big issue is downloading lessons. Duolingo only seems to be able to download one at a time, while HelloChinese apparently downloads the ENTIRE course. This is not trivial. My learning time is during my 90 minute daily subway commute (I know, it sucks, right?), and I lose about 50% or more of my available time waiting for Duolingo to download the next lesson which it can't do if it doesn't have a data connection. Until Duolingo fixes its connectivity issues it is only marginally useful to me. (I could give you more feedback, but all the evidence is that Duolingo doesn't really listen, and is more intent on pushing more products out the door than fixing its fundamental architectural issues that cripple its usability. I won't waste my time repeating those issues yet again.)

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/_Little_Shadow_

      sigh I really wish they could release these to Windows 10 as well as Android and IOS first. It doesn't seem fair that Windows comes last, it seems to fall into the same category as the other company.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Aaryaninja

      Yes Chinese is in incubator it is 17percent still hatching soon I will learn Chinese and Hindi think you for notifying it will come out somewhere near late 2018

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/samiamia4

      Traditional Chinese characters, please!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/RobinCard
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      Your wish, is my command :) I have made an extension for chrome that can be installed here that will show traditional instead of simplified characters :)

      https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/duolingo-simplified-to-tr/clnnjdojceobnkhkocigpboialomopfk

      10 months ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/fremanolas
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      I'm glad to hear that Chinese is finally on the way!

      I would very much appreciate if right from the start you could provide both the simplified and traditional characters.

      It shouldn't be too difficult to implement a functionality to toggle between them since you have done something similar for Latin and Cyrillic characters in the Ukrainian and Russian courses in the past (now discontinued).

      Entering either simplified or traditional characters should work since this is already possible to do so in the corresponding course for learning Chinese from English.

      Traditional characters would be a great help for all the people who want to be able to read Chinese characters outside of China i.e. Taiwan, Hongkong, Southeast Asia, etc. or who want to combine their learning experience with learning Kanji in the Japanese course.

      Moreover knowing traditional characters lowers the bar a little if you ever want to have a look at Classical Chinese.

      Last but not least already knowing the traditional versions of characters makes it much easier to also understand their simplified versions than the other way round.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/RobinCard
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      I am a fan of Chinese etymology so for me, Traditional Chinese is really more important to me, so I have written an extension for Chrome that will turn the existing simplified Chinese course into traditional. Please install it and let me know what you think :)

      https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/duolingo-simplified-to-tr/clnnjdojceobnkhkocigpboialomopfk

      10 months ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/JaneDuffy

      Yay! Can't wait

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/ElijahCFGolpe
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      Wow! I'm so excited about all of this!

      As an Asian, I'm so glad to see more languages from Asia coming to Duolingo. Although I'm Filipino, any Asian culture is usually something I advocate for. With Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Hindi, all in the incubator, it makes me so excited for Duolingo and the Asian communities on here and outside of here.

      I also love how these languages are also LARGE, POPULAR languages. I mean, sure, Klingon and High Valyrian aren't exactly 10/10 around the world, but alongside them were languages like Japanese and Chinese and Korean, etc. I'm hoping to see Arabic soon, that'd be really cool as well! Then Duolingo would really be close to having the Top Ten Spoken Languages in the world.

      Thank you so much for this Duolingo! Very exciting things coming! Woot!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Mel211619

      As a relative "newbie" on DL, can someone take a moment to explain just what "in incubator" means please? Can we go somewhere to give it a trial for our own benefit, or is it restricted to folk who have been involved in working it out or ? ? ? - - I'm a bit lost on this side of things. Thanks, Gracias, Shi,Shi for any help! :-}

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Arachnje
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      The incubator (click here) is the place where you can find all the language courses developed (or under development) on duolingo. You can see in the incubator the progress made in the development of each language course, and any available updates from the developers of that course.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/AlbertCast533056
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      Traditional please!!! (or both)

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/RobinCard
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      Traditional has arrived (if you install my Chrome extension). Let me know if it works for you.

      https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/duolingo-simplified-to-tr/clnnjdojceobnkhkocigpboialomopfk

      10 months ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/sharon822547
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      I am loving this tester version!!!!

      11 months ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/freitasch

      Hi Sharon, how are you? How can I check this test version?

      11 months ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/sharon822547
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      I'm so sorry freitasch, I looked all over and I can't find the link that allowed me to sign up as a possible tester. I will say I am really liking it, but am starting as a true beginner with no background .

      11 months ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Rinnaldo
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      Please add the option to use traditional characters on the mobile app!

      10 months ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/little_spanird

      yes

      5 months ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/KhuChunSiang

      OK.. I know Tâi-gí(Taiwanese):)

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/patrick718210

      hi zan

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Antwaan
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      Great news, looking forward to it! I'm still a bit disappointed by the Korean course for the reasons I gave in the thread created to announce the course. I hope you'll do something as great and intuitive as the Japanese course! Thanks so much for starting it, have a great time!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Demonym281
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      Fabulous news although the mobile-only situation fills me with a slight sense of dread

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/5pABCC7K

      hi. i am chinese but I dont like it that much. i just hope that it will be more fun learning with duolingo, so my mom will stop yelling at me!

      with best wishes, Evan ;)

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/AliTroller115

      hi

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/JosephStalin123

      Ye boy

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/SouR2

      good to know

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/HALO5101

      yay

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/WackyWen

      Will Cantonese be coming up too? :)

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/eLangLover
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      But , is it a worth to learn chinese , when peapole speak in chinese just in : china , taiwan and macao?

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/JosephStalin123

      Cyka Blyat

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/JeanneGamache

      Ni hao! Are you doing in in pin yin or traditional characters? I have been studying for several years but we use pin yin because it woud take too long to use the characters.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/FilipFilip17
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      I think the reason why they held back the Chinese course for so long is that they wanted to use characters. The Japanese course uses Chinese characters so I can’t imagine the Chinese course not using them. I just hope that traditional characters will also be supported.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Bob20020
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      CHINESE

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/FrenchWarriorCat

      Would it be traditional or Taiwan Chinese?

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/blimpkitty

      Taiwan Chinese IS the traditional version. Mainland China has a simplified version of characters.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/FrenchWarriorCat

      Oh, okay. Then which chinese would they be doing.

      Traditional or Mandarin or any of the other types?

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/pearl.ming
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      I think at one point the Duolingo mentioned that simplified would exist as the teaching medium, so I'm assuming they're going to teach simplified but hopefully would also accept traditional.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Moripolyglot
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      This will get flooded in the rest of the comments but, FOCUS ON DESIGN NOT JUST LANGUAGE COMPETENCY. That's all

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/PalladiumL

      Yay!! I can speak Chinese well but I can't write or read it. I really want to learn how. P.S. I gave you a lot of lingots.

      Question: When will this be released?

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/KwokBenson
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      加油啊duolingo的團隊!我很期待阿拉伯文的課程啊!:)

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/hoffpops
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      谢谢! 我很期待这个!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/frenchsuxs666

      china

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/frenchsuxs666

      china

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/BrodyReyno

      Its here!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/DestinationVoid
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      好消息! 我是很高兴!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Victopteryx
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      CAN I GET A HECK YEAH

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/DestartreK1st
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      Chinese!!!!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/unicorn4ever7

      yay

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Vagner_love99

      Add Arabic!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Vagner_love99

      OH MY GOD!

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Anne6395010_2048
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      ?? why you reply your comment and said oh my god ? what does that mean ?

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Leon296232
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      加油哦, BTW:金泽养 好像不是个传统的中文名字<sub>~</sub><sub>~</sub>

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/pearl.ming
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      我也同意,我一看到他的名字就知道不是本地中国人。

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Leon296232
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      好像是个韩国名字 <sub>~</sub><sub>~</sub>

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/TRViveLaFrance27

      oç herif Write english! Hiçbişey anlamıyorum.

      I understand nothing Ben türkçe yazıyor muyum ???!!'

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/IanMendes
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      这是一个梦想成真

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/jxckiegxrcia

      BRO YOU FOR REAL???

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/SchlaueAffe
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      I know that many have asked this, but will the characters be in simplified or traditional (indeed, will there be an option to switch), and secondly, might there be the possibility of Cantonese as well as Putonghua? Understandably, written and spoken Cantonese are very different, but there are presumably some sources of automated Cantonese speech one could draw from.

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/connorhuff2

      that is great and all, but is it simplified or traditional?

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Raptorstrike827

      cool, i bet i will love it

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/heartcrusher1

      Will this be teaching Mandarin or Cantonese, or even the other dialects? Simplified/traditional?

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/Woof.
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      Mandarin. Not sure about which writing system though.

      11 months ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/frenchsuxs666

      i LOVE CHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINACHINA

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/TheGamerGu6

      Just started and joined Duolingo

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/MarcusLebl

      hi

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/bannana721885

      i do not do cines

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/CourtneyWebb_30

      I thought this website was to just learn spanish

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/TheEeveeLord

      Far from just Spanish, Duolingo currently offers 26 language course for English speakers, with options ranging from German, Russian, and Hebrew to Swahili, Vietnamese, and Japanese.

      (In case you haven't noticed, that's what all the flags near my username mean. They represent all of the languages I'm currently learning on Duolingo)

      1 year ago

      https://www.duolingo.com/lizsue
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      Who told you Duolingo was to just learn Spanish?

      1 year ago