"여든 마리의 오리가 농장에 삽니다."
Translation:Eighty ducks live at the farm.
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Why does 오리가 come after the number here? I would have expected something like 오리 여든 마리가...
You can write it both ways. Your way 오리 여든 마리가 is correct too. The only difference is that if you switch places, you add 의 after the counter word. It might be easier for English speakers to use this form actually since it's the same order (just with a counter word).
I think that many people who are here, they are not English native speakers (+_+)
What purpose does 마리의 serve in the sentence? I was confused on whether or not the answer was ducks or animals.
It seems that, if the number comes before the noun it counts in the sentence, the counter word has to take the possessive particle 의. So, 훈 마리의 개가 있어요, or 개 한 마리가 있어요, both mean "there is one dog". The word order may change which part of the phrase is emphasized.
You could think of it like phrases like "slices of bread" or "sheets of paper" in English
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I wonder if this particular grammar quirk is borrowed from Chinese? In Mandarin the possessive participle is not only used to express possession, but also to connect adjectives/adjectival phrases to nouns. Mandarin also has "counter words" though they're called "measure words" instead.
의 most of the time it act as possessive particle. But in this case, it has the meaning "of". In this sentence, if you translate it literally, "80 ducks of the farm live in the farm". Hope this helps.
is the possessive particle 의 used here as a way of saying "eighty groups OF ducks" or something like that? is it used this way depending on the order of the words in the sentence (the number and counter being placed before the noun)?
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'Noun-number-counter' is the most common order while 'number-counter의-noun' is used more in writing.
떼 is the counter for groups. 오리 여든 떼 'eighty groups/swarm of duck'.
Why do we say "on" or "at" the farm instead of "in" in English ? I doesn't make sense to my French brain
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"In" would give the connotation that the ducks are somehow in the farm house and it wouldn't make any sense to us. "On the farm or at the farm" has the meaning the ducks stay/live there. They're both used like á in French.
I couldn't remember what 삽니다 meant so I went to hover over it and it said "am buying/buy" and I got so confused trying to make it into a sentence. I had to click the button that changes between the keyboard and the predetermined answers to pick from to figure it out.
Yeah about that, I have no idea but it says buy then proceeds to say 'buy' so I wasn't sure.
It is very unusual to say "at" the farm. All American school children learn that animals live "on" a farm. Even ducks would live on a farm, along with the typical cows, horses, and chickens.
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what is the difference between 녹장에 and 녹장에서? I think -에서 is for 'at' and -에 is for 'in', but in some dropdown translations Duo puts 'at' for -에 and if we choose 'in', it's wrong.
can somebody break this down a bit I can't really understand sorry...
I was thinking since they added 의 that the sentence was more like "Eight ducks' home is at the farm." Which still makes sense but just a little wordy.
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Both "on" and "at" the farm are correct in English. "On" is a little more common, but there are regional differences too, so you still will hear "at the farm" occasionally in some areas.
So now we know that we could actually put the numbers and counters first if you put "의" at the end of it. But my question is, which do native koreans use more? Numbers and counters before or after noun?
Why is "의" on this sentence? How does it works here? What's it's function as a particle. Why next to "마리"? I'm too C.O.N.F.U.S.E.D!!!
I was also confused with that. Maybe it's the context of the sentence?
From what I've seen so far, 살다 (to live) and 사다 (to buy) both become 삽니다. You can still understand what is being said. One way is the context. Another is the sentence structure. Like 집에 삽니다 (might also be 집에서 삽니다, would like some clarification) would mean live at the house and 집을 삽니다 would mean sell the house. To me, it seems that selling something in the house would be 집에서 삽니다. I might be mistaken, so keep that in mind.