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Word "ter"

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Hey everyone,

The new tree still not available for me, so I don't know if this word is in the new tree or not. Anyway, yesterday I saw the word "ter" for the first time in this sentence: "de rijkste vrouw ter wereld". In my mind, I would've written "de rijkste vrouw in de wereld". Is it also possible? When should I replace "in de/het" for "ter"?

Bedankt

1 year ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/RJG184228

"Ter" is a throwback to when Dutch had a case system and it is used only in certain expressions to mean "in the." A Dutch friend did a longer explanation with examples for me, but I can't seem to find it right now.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pentaan
pentaan
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When should I replace "in de/het" for "ter"?

You never have to use "ter". You are allowed to use it in certain expressions.
Have a look at the examples in
http://taaladvies.net/taal/advies/tekst/77/%22

1 year ago

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azevedof
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That list is really helpful! I didn't realize until now, reading Susande explanation below and the list you provided, that "ten", just like "ter", it is a declination of "te". And we've seen it on the course already, when referring to locations (ten westen; ten oosten...). Thanks a lot!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Susande
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As you can see in the link Pentaan provided, te sometimes gets declined to ter or ten depending on the case. They all mean the same thing, the declination doesn't change the meaning.

I wouldn't worry about this, as said they are used in fixed expressions. Native Dutch speakers also make many mistakes in this (I personally try to avoid them if I'm not sure). Regarding these fixed expressions I have no idea which circumstances cause te not to change or to change to ter or ten, I just know the exact spelling of a number of these, probably a third to half of the provided list.

If you read old-fashioned texts, legal texts or very formal texts, you can come across many of them, but in other situations only a small portion of the list Pentaan links to is commonly used.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/azevedof
azevedof
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Thank you very much, Susande! I guess I'll just stick with what I've seen so far (ter wereld; ten westen; ten oosten...)

Just one more question, would "de rijkste vrouw in de wereld" also be acceptable?

1 year ago

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Just one more question, would "de rijkste vrouw in de wereld" also be acceptable?

Yes, that is modern Dutch.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Christine_nl

Apparently, I'm older than Pentaan. I would never say "in de wereld".

I don't think student should worry too much about all this. If the subtleties of "ter" or "van de" or "in de" matter in your handling of Dutch, you're well beyond what DL can teach you.

1 year ago

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Language shift in progress. :) I agree it's either some interesting background story or something for advanced students (and even then, I think there are plenty of native speakers who never worry about ter vs. van de/in de, they just know what it means and have no idea about all that was said in this discussion).

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Christine_nl

By the time your Dutch is good enough to read texts fluently, it's instructive to read such an old fashioned text. Try Multatuli (Eduard Douwes Dekker, 1820-1887), especially his novel Woutertje Pieterse. Multatuli lives on in Dutch via expressions like "geduld is een schoone zaak" (note the double o) and "Barbertje moet hangen".

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hagemeijerhans

"ter" is more or less archaic, just use "van de "instead" so the sentence becomes: de rijkste vrouw van de wereld

1 year ago

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azevedof
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I guess "ter" has been following me lately! haha

(In this case, it was about North Korea) Imgur

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Christine_nl

"ter" is a perfectly normal word in Dutch.

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Christine_nl

Sinds ik op DL dit soort discussies volg, valt me vaker op dat iemand goed Nederlands spreekt, maar dan ineens iets zegt dat ik denk "he, dat zeg je zo niet". Dan blijkt het, zoals afgelopen donderdag bijvoorbeeld, een Amerikaan die al lang in Amsterdam woont. Spreekt zo goed als accentloos, maar een enkel woord is idioom dat 'ie blijkbaar gemist heeft. Is dat erg? Nee, hij en al die anderen spreken prachtig Nederlands, op een paar woorden of uitdrukkingen na. Dan denk ik ik wou dat ik zo goed Engels/Frans/Duits/Spaans sprak.

Dus is het erg als je "te/ter/ten" soms fout doet? Nee, dat is niet erg. Je kunt niet alles weten.

11 months ago