"This is lunch."
Translation:C'est le déjeuner.
I'm wondering the same... why is the "le" necessary, when there's no "the" in the English?
Because an article is required in French. "C'est déjeuner" is incorrect grammar.
- It's lunch = C'est le déjeuner
- It's the lunch = C'est le déjeuner
- It's a lunch = C'est un déjeuner
- It's some lunch = C'est du déjeuner
Yes, an article is always required in French. Except for when it isn't. There are numerous examples in Duolingo where they present nouns in French without articles.
Well, in this sentence the article is required. The rules for not using an article are quite complex and are covered in depth here, but you need a pretty good understanding of French to be able to understand all that is explained. An article is not used in the following circumstances. http://www.bertrandboutin.ca/Folder_151_Grammaire/I_a_article.htm#_on_ne_met_pas_d'article
You'll have to click on the "on me met pas d'article" link.
Of course, I'm sure that you realize that you don't use an article if another determiner is used. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determiner
Then wouldn't "c'est le déjeuner" be "this is THE lunch?" We were taught several lessons ago that "du" could be translated into some or could be dropped altogether when translated into English...
In French you always need an article, unlike in English. In this sentence adding de would make it some lunch. Du, de la, & des are translated as the when it is something uncountable, like j'achète de l'huile, I am buying oil. Oil is considered uncountable. To me, saying j'achète l'huile means I am buying all the oil in the world. Same with je mange le riz, I eat all the rice everywhere. Hence you need the de l' for l'huile and du for riz.
C'est le déjeuner doesn't give that connotations because c'est means it is, or this/that is, referring to one thing, so le is all you need.
Am I making sense ? I am a native French speaker, but I've grown up in the US, so I don't know what grammar rule is called, so that's just based on spoken French.
As a native English speaker, it's kind of difficult to understand the concept of "l'huile" (the oil) referring to ALL of the oil in the world. For example, in English if I were to simply say "I am buying the oil," it's not really assumed that I'm buying every bit of oil on the planet. Why is it that it needs to be put into "I am buying some of the oil" in French?
I'll probably just have to face the fact that it's something that I'll never understand, eh? The concept of me being unable to comprehend is a really bleak thought in my mind.
Oh no W-N. Also donkeychain. It is not random and it WILL be understood. However the "Dropped Article" syndrome is well tricky. Even native French speakers have struggled with this one. The excellent ThanKwee has somewhat explained this above and I'll go just the one step further. "LES chiens DES garçons" for example. DES can be SOME or OF THE. So how shall we translate this? "The dogs SOME boys", is that OK? or "The dogs OF THE boys"? Then to put it into good English usage, shall we finally say "The boys' dogs"? How's that? Note that the article in English "DES=Of The" has been dropped. But DES can be SOME. So lets use SOME in the sentence. "Les chiens DES garçons"=Some boys' dogs. This works but note now that in English the article LES=THE has now been dropped from DOGS. Either way in translation to English an article has been dropped. You can see that this is tricky, yet fun. Please don't despair. Plough on through this cloddy field and it will, I promise you, come to harvest. I have tried to explain this without highfoluting grammatical terms which I don't understand, yet. Hope this shed some light. Love, JJ.
Yes, W-N. The answer is frustratingly..... BOTH. When translated to English. Look, keep this in mind and have it ready in future lessons when this scenario will arise again. Like me and all the French natives, you'll cock it up now and then but from your very questions I can see that you are "Getting it". It is such a big issue mate, it must be best left to further lessons and I look forward to meeting you there. sitesurf, northernguy, el gusso perce_niege, kristian cro, and many more seriously knowledgeable folk have posts waiting on you down the line. It is a loooooong lesson.
For some reason, Jackjon, I can't reply to your comment directly, but your explanation provided great answers, but posed a great question. What you've told me is "Les chiens des garçons" means "The boys' dogs. " But then you said "Les chiens des garçons" means "Some boys' dogs." Both of which are very true. The question now brought up is 'how do we know what to translate it as?'
Obviously, 'some' and 'the' are not the same thing, 'some' being indefinite, and 'the' being definite. Are there any specific clues I'm missing here that tell me what it means?
Ah, well, I guess there's no perfect language. Your help was still invaluable, and I am very grateful. Please accept a lingot as thanks.
I Thd article rjle in french is difficult and frustrating at times because in English we would not say this is the lunch. Unless we designate as someone's lunch; this is the lunch for jim, or this is jim's lunch, spoken english . We have to remember: we are learning a new language.
"le/la/les" are used for generalities. But I don't know when they're called for instead of "de/des" :( Seems completely random so far.
Would this (in French) be the same: "C'est le dejeuner" (I can't type accents) for: This is lunch - in terms of 1) looking at a pile of food and asking, 'What is this? This is lunch' and 2) in terms of time - as in school - and asking 'What period is this? This is lunch'
Pourquoi n'est-elle pas acceptée ma version: C'est le temps de déjeuner.? Par Duo, la correcte solution est la suivante: C'est l'heure de déjeuner. La mienne a le sens un peu plus franc qu'à Duo, mais il veut dire la même chose.
What's the rules behind ceci, c'est, ce, cette, ces, ci and all the rest of them?
Because, Kyle, the French language only omits the article in very rare and specific contexts, the professions being one. Always use the article in French and keep up the studies to learn when you may drop it in English. Bonne chance, votre ami, JJ.
Ok, I kind of get it know. What does omit mean? could I friend you, Jackjon? This is the first time somebody replied to me!
OK Kyle. Omit means Leave out, or not use. I am happy to reply to your posts as I look through and often contribute to the enquiries daily. That is if I feel confident of course. Kyle, I am more than happy to be your friend; however the upvote/downvote/ "following" thingamajig bothers me and now since Duo's "Improvements" (sarcastic) I cannot mail to anybody's "activity" and most students seem to think it is a competition, the brfriending/following thingy seems a bit pointless on this site now, unfortunately. I don't give a hoot about cyber damage. Go do what it will, I just don't care. In order to keep the threads clear of clutter I'm at Beflaot@gmail.com and if you or your parents (I don't know whether you are very young or confidently older/compuker experienced) you are welcome to mail me there. The wonderful Sitesurf, ThanKwee Patrick Jay, n6zs all have known me over 3 years now and have my personal email address.. By all means check me out with them. I will take absolutely no offence if you prefer not to use a personal emailing correspondence. Any whichway. Votre ami JJ.