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Translation:Tea

September 27, 2017

55 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kendra149352

Is there another way to say "tea" since that 차 is short for "a car"?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LiKenun

Plenty of synonyms/hyponyms that can be used in place of :

  • : cold tea
  • : green tea
  • : black tea (홍 is actually red)
  • 량: vehicle; carriage; traffic
  • 자동: automobile/car
  • 승용: passenger car
  • 경찰: police car
  • 자가용: one’s own [personal] car

Usually, people don’t use nouns in isolation anyway. A minimum amount of context will be enough to disambiguate or at least narrow the probability of one meaning over the other:

  • 좀 더 드시겠어요? (Would you like some more ?)
  • 를 마시다 (to drink )
  • 한 잔 (a cup of )
  • 커피와 차 (coffee and )
  • on a restaurant menu
  • 에서 내리다 (to get out of the )
  • 를 운전하다 (to drive a )
  • 앞에 (in front of the )
  • 는 경찰이 ( … police)

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LinhNguyenRXL

Fun fact: With only a few exceptions, there are only two ways of saying "tea" in the diverse languages of the world - either "tea" or "cha". Because trade routes. https://qz.com/1176962/map-how-the-word-tea-spread-over-land-and-sea-to-conquer-the-world/


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/evomackies

In Indonesian, it's 'teh'. I suppose that counts as tea.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Murakel

English "tea" comes ultimately from Dutch "tee", from Min Nan Chinese, which pronounces 茶 as /te/ rather than /ʈ͡ʂʰa/


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GiovanniSantucci

Italian is 'tè' which I consider to count.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Liana932204

In PT/BR is chá, thats so cool


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MKatharsis

It is "çay" (chai) in Turkish.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EmCmi

So this can mean tea, or car? just depends on context?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/wintertriangles

Yes, but for car this is short for 자동차


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lang864129

depending on context, but in hanja form of 차 (in this context means car) is short hand from (자동차, 自動車)

車(차) actually means vehicle


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lang864129

if you mean 차 is tea, hanja form is 茶(차)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GoldeeLei

I'm confused between car and tea.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bluemoldpe

It's both. Depends on the context


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DaxLuna

Cha as in Tea is almost the same as tea in Japanese (pronounced Ocha).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Leonsl

yeah even though you don't need the O in front of cha. In Japanese you can also just say cha.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LongHenry

doesnt ocha mean green tea?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Murakel

No; that's the Japanese word お茶, which is an honorific, or slightly more formal, form of the word cha for tea. 抹茶 "matcha" is a specific preparation of green tea; perhaps that's what you were thinking of.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ivitcyex

If you say ocha people will assume you're talking about green tea, as black tea is specifically referred to as 紅茶.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ivitcyex

Also ocha is one of those words (like ofurou) where the o- isn't keigo but normal speech, so don't leave it off.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zlin27

Korean: 차 Japanese: 茶 ちゃ Chinese: 茶


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/koiifiish

They should really add some context here...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lynne956934

Is it true that the word 'car' really does have Konglish word, '카' ?

I think I found this one stated at somewhere in random website


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slycordinator

Yes. For example, in konglish, if you wanted to talk about a rental car, people often say "렌트 카" (transliteration is "rent" and "car").


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JiminJimout

I'm confused why "tea" and the short word for "car" are the same hangul symbols. I understand why "자동차" is shortened to "차" but why isn't tea a different word? Is there a different word? Please explain.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Murakel

In a nutshell, both words are borrowed from Chinese, and the Chinese words sound somewhat similar, so the Korean pronunciations converged. In fact, 차 is the Korean pronunciation of a huge number of Chinese symbols! A lot of Korean vocabulary is borrowed from Chinese, which is cool because most of these words also got borrowed into Japanese. The problem being, all modern Chinese languages, as well as the variety of Chinese where most of these loanwords came from, are tonal languages, meaning some words are different from each other only in the pitch of the speaker's voice as they're said. For example, 馬 is pronounced mǎ in Mandarin, with the voice starting middle pitch and dropping low before immediately rising up high at the end, while 媽 is pronounced mā, with the voice staying somewhat high in the register and at the same point for the duration of the word. Korean is non-tonal, so when these words get borrowed in they end up sounding the same.

The 차 in 자동차 is the Korean reading of the hanja 車 (Mandarin pinyin: chē), which means "vehicle" (the whole word is borrowed from the Chinese 自動車 (pinyin: zìdòngchē), meaning "self-moving vehicle"). The vowel and tone combination in the original Chinese is basically impossible to directly import to Korean (the "e" in this syllable is used for a sound something like the 'e' in "other"), so we wound up with 차 "cha"; similarly, the Japanese read this kanji as しゃ "sha".

차 for "tea", meanwhile, comes from the Chinese 茶 (pinyin: chá); the Korean reading of this hanja is much closer to the Chinese word, but is also unfortunately pronounced exactly the same as a number of other hanja with similar-sounding Chinese origins. The Japanese, by the way, pronounce this word as ちゃ "cha".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LiKenun

Cross-posting from another thread (차 and 자동차):

Interestingly, they were different sounds at some point. I’m not sure whether any dialect makes the distinction today, but the North Korean scholars prescribed spelling rules that would have spelt a lot of contemporary homonyms differently had they gone through.

Based on Chinese rime information and the recommendations provided, I’d say these would be the hypothetical spellings—at least in the north:

  • : (← Middle Korean 따)
  • : (← Middle Korean 챠)

Of course, just like in South Korea, spelling reforms hit a snag. Politics destroyed the whole spelling reform thing.

As the hypothetical Middle Chinese pronunciations for and were respectively /ɖˠa/ and /t͡ɕʰia/, it’s not surprising that the borrowings differ in pronunciation in at least some sinoxenic borrowings (Japanese ちゃ v. しゃ). In Korean—as in other languages—the differing sounds continued to evolve (e.g.: 듕귁 → 중국; ᄍᆞ → 자; ᄇᆡᆨ〮 → 백) after borrowing and some became identical. Middle Chinese also evolved to Mandarin in parallel to that process, so the modern pronunciations do not actually reflect on each other.

Surprisingly, the invention of 한글 came with a prescription for spelling Chinese sounds which the Koreans could not pronounce faithfully anyway—much like the silent letters in French words like doigt. So the “accurate” spellings were soon ignored and the resulting borrowings were spelt as they sounded. This meant that a large number of 漢字 would end up being spelt the same way.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Otaku2Learn

Can remember this one since chá is tea in Portuguese (^ω^)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GangarKun

And that's the tea


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CyaCyaCya

Learning languages is a fun activity. Flexibility is needed here :)) Don't get stressed by the random words :)) Enjoy everyone <3


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kotiasha12

As I'm drinking tea XD


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/_nuha_

We also use cha for tea in Bangla


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Melchrist12

There is no choices


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sanemko

This means tea but in the answers tea isnt there lol


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JOrlando3

The answer must be typed in because "tea" is not an option in the word bank. There is no reporting option for that.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Murakel

차 also means "car", as it's short for 자동차. Language is fun like that sometimes :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SaraSonbol1

What about to sleep in korean isn't it also 자 like in 잘자


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GiovanniSantucci

I don't know, but if it is, you'll just have to pay attention: 차 =/= 자


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ehsan858913

잘 means well/good. To sleep is 자다. e


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HiMeCriss

Korean: 차 Romanian: Ceai Russian: Чаи (chai) Turkish: Çay

Is this some sort of loanword? :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Murwari

And "chá" in portuguese :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JaidenFree2

I thought "차" meant "tea?" What happened there?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slycordinator

It's both. 차 is tea and 차 is car (short for 자동차).

Just like 눈 is both eyes and snow. They're homophones. There are lots of them in Korean.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/La_maghiou16

we can say cha for both car and tea !!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KpopAddict17

차 is tea in my language too!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ehsan_Mehmed

Can I use 茶 here?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slycordinator

They would only use any Chinese characters if it were necessary to differentiate between two words that sound the same or if the one they mean is somewhat uncommon.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CeEya109

좋은 집 좋은 차


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/biorainbows

As a portuguese speaker this one is easy since tea in Portuguese is chá (pronounced the same as in Korean)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/choccymiIk

"茶“ is pronounced the same in Chinese!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slycordinator

Unsurprising since 차 is 茶 in Korean.

And really, pretty much every language pronounced tea either like "차" or like "티" and both are derived from old Chinese pronunciations of the same character.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ZezeImasek

Why would English speakers be confused that two different words can have the same spelling and pronunciation? English has a plethora of such words. To tell a lie. To lie down. To strike a match. To match things up. To go to a match. Go to a boxing ring, wearing a ring on your finger, while you ring up an order.

You'll just have to use context to decide. If there's no context, pick one and pray.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AmanKumar211673

Chai in hindi and cha in hayanvi

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