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[WIU] Weekly Incubator Update: 2017, Week 39.

Note: Data retrieved on 2017/10/01 at 00:07 (UTC).

I. Phase 1 Courses

I.A. Transfers

  • Exits (Courses reaching BETA Phase): None.
  • Entries (Courses entering the Incubator): None.

I.B. Completion Summary

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(A) This week's value automatically generated from Duolingo's statistics.
(S) This week's value self-reported by the team of volunteers working on the course.

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II. Latest News from Course Volunteers (All Phases)

Course "Welsh from English" (Phase 3)

By ibisc on 2017/09/27 (full text here)

Late September 2017 - Tree 2 of the course now in 50/50 testing

Bore da, bawb,

As of 27 Sept 2017 about half of you will now be on Tree 2 (version 2) of the W...

Course "French from Arabic" (Phase 3)

By ModyDj on 2017/09/24 (full text here)

Un million d'Arabes apprennent le français sur Duolingo ! مليون عربي متعلم للفرنسية على دوولينجو

**فرحتنا تكاد لا توصف بهذا الإنجاز الرائع الذي وصلنا إليه ، لقد أصبحنا مليون عربي متعلم للغة الفر...

Course "Russian from Turkish" (Phase 1)

By Apostle_ on 2017/09/24 (full text here)

Güncelleme: Eylül 2017 (24/09/2017)

39 beceri hazır, 40 beceri sırada.

  • Kelimeler: 1240/2265 (2265 kelimeden 1240 tanesi ...

III. Previous Weekly Incubator Updates

See this index of WIUs.

October 1, 2017

49 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OmegaGmaster

RIP English from Telugu.


[deactivated user]

    I want to. there are no course contributors for a long time.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LeiferB

    ...How can course progress go backwards?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

    Finally planning to create a longer tree than what was planned before is one possible reason.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LeiferB

    Makes sense. Thanks jrkhal!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CarlosLM.

    Adding to the TODO list instead of doing? xD


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JensBu

    In addition to jrikhal. The percentage is not very accurate. It could happen that they decide to change the structure and remove everything to add it in a different order. Or they plan offline. Then they make progress which is not reflected by the percentage. It happens in case of Yiddish and Hindi. Korean removed everything from the tree and added it again in a different order. I think it happened to Hebrew (correct me if I'm wrong) but they accidentally deleted a part of the tree and the course progress went back too although they quickly added it again because they had already done the work to plan it out.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Maughanster_

    Glad to see Indonesian from English, Russian from Spanish, and Esperanto from Portuguese continuing to make steady progress!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Patrick.-

    Finally! Kreyòl Ayisyen (Haitian Creole) has made some progress!!! Mèsi!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/scarcerer

    I recently ran into this comment Luis made in January where he said they'll be working on 4-5 smaller languages this year and thought that was quite funny in retrospect. The year isn't over yet but so far English speakers have received courses for Haitian Creole (#86 by amount of native speakers), Japanese (#9) and Chinese (#1). Even if you include courses for other speakers you're still left with Russian (#8) and Esperanto. Okay, Esperanto is small but personally I expected smaller languages refer to natural languages and ones that are actually small, not just smaller than English and Spanish.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

    Duo's new years eve's resolutions/dreams caught back by reality?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/scarcerer

    And not for the first time.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JensBu

    I wouldn't be sure. It's possible that they add the languages suddenly and with high progress. Japanese, Chinese and Korean were also partly developed and planned before they came to the incubator.

    Of course it would be awesome if they added a new language with a different script since they have the new system to teach the new script. It would also be nice to add some "pre-lessons" before the first lessons of the current trees with different scripts to teach them more effectively. However, I don't the neither of the current ways is most efficient to teach the scripts. Both ways work though. But that's another topic.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Roman_Huczok

    I really hope that they can return to that promise. An Otomí course may be a forlorn hope, but I can still dream


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Woof.

    Merci Jrikhal !


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Woof.

    Wow, Indonesian from English actually made progress.

    No offense Incubator workers, I'm just impatient.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DreamOfFlying

    I might not understand this chart that well, but why is Chinese so little done? EDIT: I mean, compared to a discussion I saw earlier that said it was 56% :)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DerGoldmann

    Chinese was just added a little over a week ago. It's partially an in-house course so it will likely progress quickly.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DreamOfFlying

    Sorry about that, I fixed it :)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

    why is Chinese so little done?

    "little"?
    2.75% in a week is actually a large progress.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CarlosLM.

    At this rate it would be finished in 9 months. That's pretty good, for a language as difficult as Mandarin Chinese.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Susan2538

    I have heard that the grammar in Chinese is simple and that it's just their writing (the characters) that is difficult .
    I learned that they don't have verb tenses in Chinese nor plurals.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CarlosLM.

    Don't forget the tones! Here you can practice a little:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/chinese/games/tones.shtml


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DreamOfFlying

    Sorry, I mean't so little done compared to a post I saw earlier that said it was 56% done :)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/daKanga

    Also, congratulations Jrikhal for a streak of over 100 days !


    [deactivated user]

      Yay ! Chinese for English speakers finally made some progress ! It is 49% done in the incubator. 加油 ! 希望你們能讓課程準時開放 ! :) ( well, it is 71% at first. I do not know that what happened to the percentage updates.)


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ontalor

      Stick to the percentage jrikhal provides in the charts. The percentage in the incubator is just automatically based on number of words total versus complete, and most of the words haven't been added. I've started work on it today but I've mostly been completing the sentences for words as I add them, which makes the percentage look dramatically inflated.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nueby

      You might be explaining this until the course is in beta. The poorly thought out percentage display "in the incubator" will keep confusing people. After a few months of hovering around 95%, the fake number will probably create enough user anger (Why is there no progress? We are waiting here!) that someone might finally fix or remove it. We can all dream.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ontalor

      Yah I'm debating adding all of the words that Duo knows they want to release in initial version just so the percentage drops, lol.


      [deactivated user]

        I know some of the duolingo course percentage are fake, but they just make me happy.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nueby

        Just try to remember that they make you happy even when they drop.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/welf123

        Hey Ontalor, approximately, what is the quantity of words in the course ZH-En? (:


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ontalor

        I think the initial version should have 700-800 words, maybe up to a little over 1,000. Duo has actually been working hard internally to design the course, so they've mapped it out for us and the work from here is just putting the sentences into the system and adding additional translations.

        The unique problem with Chinese is that virtually every time we teach a word, there also has to be exercises to teach the character(s) in that word, so it effectively doubles the amount of new information in each lesson. Most courses can have 6-8 words in a lesson, but with the characters we generally max out at 4 new words in a lesson.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/wyqtor
        • 2528

        It makes me so happy to hear that you are actually teaching words using characters, and not just Pinyin, even if it takes longer!

        我很开心!


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nattheweirdo

        will there be any information about stroke order when learning the characters? It would be extremely useful, although I imagine it would be difficult to do!


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ontalor

        I don't know this but I doubt it. That'd be a whole new system Duo would have to devise. There are a lot of great resources for learning stroke orders though, and once you get the general pattern down you get the hang of it.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hanspersson

        That wouldn't be different from Japanese, would it?


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ontalor

        Japanese doesn't use as many characters as Chinese does, and most of the sentence ends up being in Hiragana, whereas Chinese only has the characters. So Japanese just has to teach the couple new characters for new words, whereas if we teach you anything you haven't seen before, it means new characters.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ryannichols7

        hoping we get an actual written update from the chinese team soon with some general ideas of what they want the course to be. Japanese was pretty disappointing and felt extremely rushed. Czech and the Welsh/Dutch 2.0 trees have given me hope that there is still an interest for really well designed courses on this site. Czech might be up there in Norwegian/German tier now and I could probably say the same for Welsh and Dutch (but I didn't get the 2.0 trees on this account, only my test account)


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LeiferB

        Klingon is almost here...


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DerGoldmann

        Looking forward to getting an update on the capitalization/apostrophe recognition issue. Hopefully its entry into Beta testing isn't far off.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mizinamo

        There's not much to report this week.

        Capitalisation and apostrophes still play little tricks, especially with hints (for example, alpha testers reported a sentence with Qatlh where the hints for qatlh were displayed instead).


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LeiferB

        On a scale of one to ten, how far along are you and the others along with this solving this issue?


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mizinamo

        It's not really in our hands -- that's something that needs to be looked at by Duolingo staff + developers, and I don't have a feeling for their progress on the issue, I'm afraid. So I can't give you a number.

        I'd like to know just as much as you!


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LeiferB

        Ah, thanks anyways!


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LeiferB

        LoghaD, mizinamo, jdmcowan and Vortarulo Vs. apostrophes!! Who will win?!?


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Woof.

        Hmm... Probably LoghaD, mizinamo, jdmcowan and Vortarulo, but who knows?


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JensBu

        Klingon can still take weeks or months, LeiferB. We simply don't know it.

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