https://www.duolingo.com/Arkadios200

Talossan (tzl) for English Speakers

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I looked through the list of requested courses, and I couldn't find Talossan (or I'm blind). So, I figured "You know what? I'll request it!" So, here I am, requesting it. Hope it gets accepted!

Risguardeveu el list dels cursos requestats, es non pognheveu trovarh Talossan (eda éu sint orp). Penseveu "Säps-tu qet? En requestarhéu!" Per aceasta raziun, éu sint aicì, es en requestéu. Esperéu q'en serà açeitat!

About Talossan: Talossan is an a posteriori constructed language (language based on other languages) based on the Romance languages. It is one of the two official languages of the Kingdom of Talossa, a micronation with territorial claims in the northern United States and an island to the south of France.

October 2, 2017

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https://www.duolingo.com/ChrisNewtster

Definitely a project I'd support!

October 2, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/jimnicholson
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Yes, but is this a language you actually want to learn?

Or are you playing tag?

It is said that there are around 7,000 languages - most are not listed in the guide ... but the idea isn't to just add them all to the list. Just those that people have a genuine interest in learning.

(Suggestion: if you do have an connection to this language - perhaps state what it is, or why this language interests you, and why you want to learn it).


Edit: I just had a look and it has an ISO 639-3 code (tzl)

October 2, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Arkadios200
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I’m a citizen of Talossa and a student of the language. My goal is to bring the language to a wider audience of people. I don’t really care how many requested courses there are. I thought that Duolingo might be the most accepting of my effort.

Thanks for asking!

October 2, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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I think Duolingo is concentrating mainly on expanding its user base at the moment. A tiny conlang with no PR pull will probably not make the cut.

As and when Duolingo has resources to spare, maybe they will add all sorts of esoteric languages, but in the meantime, I suspect Memrise is a more likely resource as people can make their own courses. Assuming there are sufficient people who speak the language and are willing to teach it, that might be your best port of call. (If there aren't sufficient people, then you won't get much joy on Duolingo, as they require bilingual speakers to create a course.)

October 2, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Arkadios200
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There are, for all intents and purposes, bilingual speakers, and they’re willing to teach. As for PR, micronations can be an interesting concept, and Talossa has pulled in some press over the years. Also, what resources does Duolingo have to put in? They select contributors, add the course, and lock it at the end.

October 2, 2017

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If you can find a good PR angle, you might catch Duolingo's interest - good PR and a strategy to draw in new users was part of the Welsh team's angle getting on Duolingo - but the PR stunt languages on here have been on the scale of Game of Thrones and Star Trek. We aren't talking "an interesting concept", we are talking massive, incredibly popular franchises. Unless you have a really great PR stunt to pull out of your hat...

I do agree micronations are interesting, but I think it's naïve to imagine a relatively interesting concept has that kind of PR pull in and of itself that it could compete with other languages, natural or constructed, with either entire nations or whole franchises backing 'em up. I'm not saying don't ask, I'm saying be realistic in your expectations. Unless you can seriously expect to add to DL's userbase, and have a solid strategy behind that expectation, then a tiny conlang is unlikely to cut it. I couldn't find any conclusive information, but it seems like Talossa has less than 300 current citizens. Even if everyone who is a citizen is fluent, that's still tiny.

(For comparison, Duolingo only added Esperanto after some pretty hard campaigning, and that's a conlang used worldwide by, depending on who you ask, upwards of two million people.)

My understanding is that from Duolingo's end, there are staffmember mentors who oversee the teams/help them get familiar with the incubator/help them with issues/liaise over technical aspects and things the teams can't do directly themselves, like organising the TTS or hiring voice actors. Also there is some consideration of server usage. Yes, the bulk of the work falls on the volunteers (and my impression is that at least some of the teams would prefer more help from on high), but Duolingo is not quite as hands off as you are suggesting.

If it was that hands off/took next to no resources, I am pretty sure a lot more frequently requested languages (Finnish is the one that springs to mind, but Latin and others are also often requested) would be added. If it were that easy, I'm pretty sure they'd at least add Finnish so that people would quit requesting it!

As I say, this is by no means a "no, don't bother, there's no point"; it's very much a "this is what you're competing against, keep expectations realistic unless you're prepared to be disappointed; these are the kind of things Duolingo is doing for PR, here's a suggestion for another resource to use in the meantime."

I strongly suggest Memrise, if you have people able and willing to create courses. Besides anything else, if you have easy and convenient resources on a site like Memrise, then you stand a chance of gaining interest in the nation and the language by more people, which can only put you in a stronger position to maybe one day get it on Duolingo.

October 2, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Debz
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I support the cause. Details of the language can be found at : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639:t

October 3, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/dakanga
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