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Adjective Declension of "Nieder"

Like most foreigners new to German, I’m struggling with the different forms of a word based on the gender, case, and tense of the sentence it is in. In the following sentence „Für die Staatsanwaltschaft steht ohne Zweifel fest, Dass der Angeklagte aus niederen Beweggründen handelte, Voraussetzung für Paragraf 211, Mord,“ is the word “niederen” chosen because it comes before a plural noun “Beweggründen“ without an article in a dative case? I've asked several native German speakers but no one seems to be certain. In fact, they aren't even sure if "niederen" is the correct declension. Any help?

October 21, 2017

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https://www.duolingo.com/Windrammer

Strong declension due to no article.

Plural, therefore genderless.

Dative due to aus.

These factors give niederen. So you're entirely correct.

October 21, 2017

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Thanks for bringing up the gender issue. Gender is another dreadful topic for beginners of German like me. In this particular case, my understanding is that the word form for "nieder" is different for a feminine noun (niederer) and a plural noun (niederen) in the dative case with strong declension. In the nominative, accusative, and genitive cases with strong declension, however, a plural noun seems to be associated with feminine, thus taking the same form as a feminine noun. Is this something totally arbitrary or is this consistent across the board?

October 21, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Windrammer

Strong declension concerns adjectives stading with nouns that lack articles, except for ein.

Ein großer Junge; mit kaltem Wasser; in dem kalten Wasser

October 21, 2017

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Großartig! This kind of rule table is much more helpful than individual verb conjugation tables. However, why are there no entries for singular m, f, and n with strong declension without articles? Back to the "nieder" example, the website I shared earlier (https://www.cactus2000.de/deutsch/adject/showadj_en.php?adj=nieder) shows the inflections for singular m, f, and n with strong declension without articles, which is how I got the "niedere" for a feminine noun and "niederen" for a plural noun in the dative case with strong declension. Any suggestions where I should look?

October 22, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/gSY55q97

Please have a look at his site: http://www.canoo.net/inflection/nieder:A

I hope it is helpful. : )

October 21, 2017

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This Canoo.Net website is very helpful. Danke! I was going by this website https://www.cactus2000.de/deutsch/adject/showadj_en.php?adj=nieder, which is not as comprehensive as the website you shared with me. Much appreciated!

October 21, 2017

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Your welcome. : )

October 21, 2017
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