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"V tomto hotelu jsou Češi, Němci, Angličani a další cizinci."
Translation:There are Czechs, Germans, Englishmen, and other foreigners in this hotel.
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I wrote: "Czechs, Germans, Englishmen, and other foreigners are in this hotel."
I also thought the use of "Englishmen" in the sentence was strange. Do people really still say that to mean English people or Brits?
Je slovo angličani mluvená čeština? Myslel jsem, že Angličané je spravné.
Ve spisovné češtině jsou přípustné obě varianty, nicméně Angličani je užíváno spíše v mluvené češtině, v písemném projevu je preferováno Angličané.
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I put English people and got the correction that it had to be Englishmen, but surely Angličani could mean a mixed group, couldn't it?
It certainly could be a mixed group. It could also be a purely male group. You cannot tell from the Czech sentence.
The standard word order would be "There are... in this hotel." But "In this hotel THERE are...." would be used as well.
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Hi, as a native speaker of English and teacher of it, where in Czech there is: place + is/are + thing In English we would usually structure it: There is/are + thing + place
It doesnot sound like the English they taught me. Perhaps native speakers can tell more?
Basically it is grammatically fine, but sounds a little unnatural. However, "Englishmen" is never read as gender-neutral nowadays--unless it says "English people," it will be assumed they are all male.
English prepositional clauses can go just about anywhere. When they get pushed to the front it’s usually to “topicalize” the phrase as the subject (English can’t change word order, so this is how we flip things for emphasis). It is not a strange construction if the preposition clause is the topic of discussion, it’s just our way around the restriction. There is no clearly correct answer here without context. If we’re in the hotel, prepositional phrase at the end. If we’re outside the hotel, prepositional phrase at the beginning.
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Yes I do not understand why english men and not just english is referred to hear in the same way as it is germans as opposed to german men. Incidentally kg997 there is a difference between English and Brits as the latter would include Welsh and Scottish while the former would not so I assume anglicani refers to people from England and not those from Great Britain or UK. I am English from England and also British from Great Britain, which includes Scotland and Wales.
Englishmen should probably be replaced with English people, Brits, Britons, etc.
"English people" is also accepted. I'm from the US, and "Brits" always sounds a bit rude to me. If you are from the UK, are "Brits" and "Britons" widely used there?
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Having been born and brought up in England I am proud to call myself an Englishman or English. British would encompass the Scots and the Welsh. I certainly would not use the term Brit, this seems to be like calling an American a yank, no disrespect. I have never heard the term Britons used but British is quite common. At the risk of Vlad not knowing what I was talking about I would point out that not all British are English but all English are British. In view of Vlads latest post I would suggest that the translation in this case should refer to English only. Also I would disagree with kg9997. Brits should not be used and English is a correct form.
But Brits or Britons is "Britové" in Czech, not "Angličani". We do (sometimes) distinguish England, Britain and the UK, it is not just our ignorance to use "Angličani" here.
This is a well-known long-standing bug for Duolingo not specific to thos swntence or to the Czech course. Not worth reporting at all, but if aat all, then in the main Duolingo forum.
This is a weird sounding sentence to a native english speaker to have a general term for all the nationalities mentioned but then specifying only male english people or is this an all male hotel? Englishmen cannot refer to both genders.
You're right. How would you phrase the sentence to make it sound as natural as possible? "There are Czechs, Germans, the English, and other foreigners in this hotel." - or would "English people" work better?
