https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eliadeliad

ocha: おちゃ

In a practice round I got asked to choose the correct characters for "ocha" and two of the choices were "おちゃ" and the same thing with a slightly bigger "ゃ".

Is there a difference between them, or is it a problem with the question?

November 3, 2017

7 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arachnje

Hi.
The word with the small や is pronounced (ocha), and is the correct choice.
The one with big や is pronounced (ochiya) and isn't correct.
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November 3, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eliadeliad

Thanks.

November 3, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kelsi602

ちゃ is a yoon character for a single sound "cha" like we use "th" for one sound in English. ちや is for two sounds "chi-ya". In this sense, it is misleading to call the Japanese Kana for "syllables" when they are for "mora". These can sound very similar to foreign listeners but can have different meanings.

One such example is こんやく kon'yaku (engagement) and こにゃく konyaku (Japanese potato). My fiancee does not like it when I call her a vegetable by mistake. This is also why romanised Japanese has apostrophes to distinguish these (in addition to macrons: e.g., ō=おう).

November 3, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Faisane

@kelsi602: I plugged both こんやく and こにゃく into Quizlet to have them read to me, and I don't hear a difference - could you put into words what the difference would be?

(Also, from what I can find online, the potato is こんにゃく which would make it easier to distinguish because of the double n.)

November 3, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eliadeliad

Thank you.

November 3, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Keith_APP

Watch this youtube

https://youtu.be/wJF8mXDoqsQ

ちゃ is written as Cha in Romaji only to distinguish itself from Chia ちあ. It is not a single A vowel as Char in Charcoal. If you say slowly you should hear yourself saying Cheeea, not Chaaaa.

In each of the following words you should have 3 distinct syllables that are different in each word:

治安/ちあん Social order, safety

Chi - A - Ng

土屋/つちや A Japanese family name

Tsu - Chi - Ya

茶碗/ちゃわん A bowl

Chia - Wa - Ng

Note that the above are not standard Romaji notation.

November 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/urosidoki

I just had the same situation and I noticed that the や was indeed smaller.

February 5, 2019
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