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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Faisane

Gold tree's rate of decay is too slow

This may sound like a first-world problem (or, worse, humblebrag) but it's real: after a certain point, the Japanese tree basically doesn't decay any longer - it just stays gold for days on end. Whatever algorithm they have in place to regulate decay needs to be recalibrated for Japanese, I think.

This is a problem because there are certainly any number of words and phrases I don't recall, especially when they come up so rarely.

I don't seem to be organized enough to just review on my own - I can never remember where I was. So is there a way to just reset the tree, preferably while keeping one's level (which I worked so haaard for)?

November 4, 2017

19 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/garpike

Yes, I agree; DL seems to think I know Japanese much better than I really do, and I wish it would prompt me to practise many parts of the tree a lot more often than it does.

I like skills to stay gold if I feel that I could test them using timed practice and get 18-20 with ease, but I feel this is certainly not true in the case of Japanese at the moment.

November 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NorenKyanberu

upvote purely for the 814 day streak and the fact you learned high Valyrian. Holy shazbot.

November 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/testmoogle

I've been doing this course 194 days now and haven't managed to have the tree stay gold for even 24 hours yet. ><;

The skills with more American speech in them such as Vacation (holiday), Clothes (trousers), Sport (football), Dates (day before month), Activity (at the weekend), Food (sweets), Classroom (years), Transport ("intersection"?), ... [Basically: half of the tree.] Those skills won't ever stay gold very long *for some reason*... >.>

One way to see which skills are weaker or were practised longer ago is to use the trick to view your Words page. You can just click the weak words or the older words at the bottom of the list and see which skill they are in, then just focus on those skills. ^^

November 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Faisane

First, I am amazed that your tree isn't permanent gold - it must be because you're doing Japanese on the web, and that is just so much harder, with so many more opportunities for mistakes. That's probably what I should do; even the regular, non-timed web practice can be quite challenging for me.

Second, re word list: has something changed there? I looked for it the other day and couldn't find it. I know you once posted instructions how to get it - I'll have to look for them.

Edit: found them - since that was a really long thread, I'll post the part that works for me (I use French instead of Spanish - both have the "words" feature):

browser: Switch to Spanish course.

browser: Click "Discussion".

app: Switch to Spanish course.

app: Switch to Japanese course.

browser: Click "Words".

November 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/testmoogle

I always do the Words page trick without using the app at all, since I don't even have the app installed on my phone. It's easier than fiddling around with two different devices.

  1. Switch to Spanish course.
  2. Click "Discussion".
  3. Duplicate tab. (So you now have two tabs on Spanish course viewing the Discussion page.)
  4. Current tab: Switch to Japanese. (Can close this tab once it loads.)
  5. Other tab: Click "Words".

Basically: rather than using one tab + the app, instead simply use two tabs. ^^

As for your first point, typing on web definitely increases my opportunites for mistakes. Not only mistakes, but also I continually answer with kanji even where I know the previous day it didn't accept it. I do the same with typing British English too.

For the first encounter, I answer the way I'd naturally write it (British English, kanji, plain verb/adjective forms,...) and report it again if it still has not been fixed. For the second encounter, I then try to remember which parts it only accepts American dialect or kana and then answer it Duolingo's way in order to move on. I repeat this process again each day.

It took me four or five months to even get the whole tree gold for the first time because of things like this! :P

November 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Faisane

That's even better - thanks!

November 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shirki

Please have some lingots. I have been trying to see the word tab for ages in Swedish, and have not been able to do so until I followed these instructions. Tack så mycket :)

November 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Elisabeth3789

Wow, it works! Thank you testmoogle!

November 21, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Elisabeth3789

194 days? You must have started it while it was hatching!

November 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/testmoogle

Yep. Not only started but also finished! :P

I started this course on web on the 24th of April without using the placement test. And I reached the end of the tree on the 14th of May. The beta wasn't released until the 18th of May (and even then it was for iOS only, which I don't own any devices for). ^^

November 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FilipFilip17

Ugh.. I have enough problems keeping all my trees golden, now I need to worry about Japanese. If your tree is already golden nothing stops you from practicing and keeping it that way.

November 7, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NorenKyanberu

I usually strengthen at least once a day plus once every time I complete a skill. It works for me since I'll often just strengthen after I worked my butt off at work and I'm on lunch break(and therefore don't have the mental stamina left to learn a skill properly).

Five days a week I'll usually get 10-30 xp a day, mostly strengthens, then on my two days off I'll get 100+ xp in a day. It works, mostly.

November 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/forest_breeze_17

There is a way to reset the progress but it would also erase your level and start again

November 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Faisane

Ah, that's not an option, then - thanks!

November 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/QISACHAR

When I was on and off with it, my skills were still all gold. They've never not been gold. There is definitely something off.

November 8, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/testmoogle

If you use the placement test, the skills you jump past stay gold for what seems pretty much like forever (if indeed it isn't forever). Might this be what happened to you?

November 8, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/piguy3

As with so much else on Duolingo, I think it depends. I quizzed out of a lot of the Portuguese from English tree. That part hardly degilded for a year. Then they - publicly - announced the end of a big A/B test that had been upping many users' word strength. I noticed effects from that immediately. I quizzed out of some of the Italian from Portuguese tree, and it was degilding within days I think.

November 11, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/piguy3

I've had this problem in basically any language I'm serious about for a while. I think it was even worse before they ended the large-scale A/B test upping word strength for many of us a few months ago.

Basically, the entire way I use Duolingo is predicated upon the fact the trees degild too slowly. If I'm serious about a tree, I pretty much hang out in a skill until I can meet about the same standard garpike mentioned: 18ish+ in timed practice repeatedly. Then I move on, paying little mind to what color anything else is wherever else. Having spent the time, I remember where I was, but so long neglecting things elsewhere, the coloration may again become a useful guidepost.

November 11, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LightMor

For me this just happend at one day! And now my skill almost not decay. It so disapoinning. I thought they will fix it. But it is about a month now. I don't know how to report this (any ideas?) so I just give a Lingot to this post.

At this point for about two weeks non of my golden skills are decay! I am just in the middle of the course.

P.S. I use a PC version.

November 18, 2017
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