https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cluney2

Führer. Still used?

Is Führer still used as leader after World War 2. I'm deciding on a name for a Discord server I own. Would it be better to say 'Leiter' instead? Just thinking on political correctness. It may still not be in use today. Although it may be. I dunno.

grüße liebe

cluney.

November 11, 2017

12 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tiramisues

No, it's not really used because of the historical connotation it has, at least not "Führer" itself. We use "der Anführer" now or, "der Leiter" or "die Leitung". In a group it can also be "der Gruppenleiter".

November 11, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hannibal-Barkas

When I served in the Bundeswehr we used the term "Gruppenführer" as a description small unit leader for a group of approximately ten soldiers without any thinking of Nazi terminology (the SS-rank of Gruppenführer was an officer's rank). If we had used "Gruppenleiter" I would have automatically thought of boy scouts

I use Führer more as a title for a guide (Touristenführer, Reiseleiter, Reiseführer would be a book travel guide), rarely as a title for a head of state.

November 12, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Max.Em

True, even if Gruppenführer is not a rank anymore, but a (functional) description, as you said. Like a squad leader. Also police is using it this way, but nobody would address these guys with "Jawohl, Herr Führer." You would at least earn some very strange looks...

November 12, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cluney2

I thank you. And the Deputy would be? Vizeleiter?

November 11, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tiramisues

Yes, or "der stellvertretende Leiter" (as a title: "stellvertretender Leiter")

November 11, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cluney2

thanks

November 11, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Max.Em

At least it's not used in the same way anymore. The are different meanings like conductor of a machine, where it's still used, but in the sense of leader it is mostly used with a negative connotation, like politischer/ideologischer/religiöser Führer. With a neutral value it is still used in Oppositionsführer. As far as I remember it is never used in this "stand-alone" form like it was in WW2. In nearly every contemporary use it is combined with an explanatory word. It also means guide: "Wir brauchen einen Führer, wenn wir in diese Gegend reisen möchten." But also there most people would add something like einen erfahrenen/einheimischen Führer, einen Bergführer, Touristenführer, .....

A server called Führer would definitely raise the interest of the authorities....

November 11, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cluney2

raise the interest of the authorities.... I'm not so sure in Australia but i thank you for this. Like 'Reiseführer' where it is either a person that leaders you or a document. I actually just thought of that.

grüße liebe

cluney

November 11, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Max.Em

That's true, outside of Germany many of those terms are still used, so that nobody would care, but still, for us it's very creepy and embarrassing to see that...

November 11, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slamRN

Good question; but I have heard Führer used in German movies and TV shows and it always takes me by surprise. And, this is in everyday contexts, not just in WWII movies. But as Max.Em said above, perhaps this is just in special circumstances and not used as meaning leader.

November 12, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Max.Em

Look at the examples given by frawaradR. The Führer is always the bad guy in those headlines. You could argue about the catalan leader, but if I read this headline, I think that the newspaper doesn't like him. Nobody would get the idea to call Merkel our Führer, and in case, it's meant as an insult.... My driver's license is still called Führerschein, because in legal terms I am a Fahrzeugführer when I drive a car, so you are right when you say the word appears every day, but this is just another example that people combine the word Führer with a specification in order not to be rude or to avoid stupid jokes.

November 12, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/exp271828

Interesting discussion; I learned a lot. Danke!

November 12, 2017
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