"He has numerous very ugly objects."
Translation:Il a de nombreux objets très laids.
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A handful of adjectives that refer to the qualities contained in BANGS (Beauty, Age, Number, Goodness, Size) are not placed before the noun.
In the category of beauty, exceptions are laid (ugly) and affreux (atrocious); in age, âgé (old); and in the category of goodness, méchant (mean).
I would say that the exceptions are the BANGS adjectives. 85% of French adjectives are placed after the noun and a number of them can change places and meanings or perspective.
A few regular adjectives about ugliness: "disgracieux, moche, horrible, hideux, repoussant, répugnant, abominable, atroce, immonde..." and beauty: "gracieux, délicieux, enchanteur, superbe, splendide, séduisant, ravissant, sublime..."
Hello! Yes, you are right that "nombreux" is an adjective and thus "des" becomes de. The earlier question was about the placement of the "de" so I was simplifying it.
"de nombreux objets" de/d' + adjective + noun
"beaucoup d'objets" adverb + de/d' + noun
How is Beaucoup de an adverb? What verb is it modifying. Alot of, and numerous, are the same type of modifier. They modify nouns. So I would like to know why, if there is any particular reason, does de come before nombreux?
Thanks...native French speaker please, or a French teacher of reference. Thanks
I'm not a native French speaker but perhaps I can help while our native speaker is on vacation.
"Beaucoup" is an adverb. It is like "lots" or "a lot" in English which can be an adverb when it is modifying a verb.
I have lots/a lot of things. → J'ai beaucoup de choses. Lots is modifying have (I have lots...) while beaucoup is modifying ai.
Nombreux/nombreuses is an adjective, just like many or numerous are in English. They describe the noun.
She has things. → Elle a des choses.
She has many things. → Elle a de nombreuses choses.
*Remember that des becomes de in front of an adjective.
Many is describing the amount of things, just like nombreuses is describing the quantity of "choses." Here you can see that nombreux is an adjective.
I don't think your explanation is correct.
nombreux is an indefinite adjective not a determiner. The indefinite adjective plusieurs is a determiner so you would say:
il a plusieurs objets laids.
However, as nombreux is not a determiner the plural noun objets needs a determiner, in this case an indefinite article, and when an adjective comes before a noun, the indefinite article des is normally replaced with de. Therefore you say
il a de nombreux objets très laids
It is correct but yes, a little awkward in English. The idea is to teach the French sentence structure and make it clear how to rewrite that same sentence in reverse.
He has numerous objects that are very ugly = Il a de nombreux objets qui sont très laids.
You could also write: He has many very ugly objects.
I'm struggling a little to frame this.
The way I learnt French in school, left me thinking of this sentence structure (Il a des objets très laids) as meaning "there are ugly objects, of which he has some".
The confusion arises because to me it looks like nombreux is applying to all the objects rather than specifically to the ones that he has.
In English, "numerous" replaces "some" in the sentence i.e. He has some very ugly objects becomes He has numerous…
Please help me correct my misapprehension :o)
il a = he has
il y a = there are
In the sentence il a des objets très laids, you'd translate it as "he has very ugly objets". Des just means more than one and doesn't necessarily translate as "some".
When nombreux is added, it is an adjective describing objets. Des (unspecified number that is more than one) becomes de in front of an adjective.
de nombreux objets = many/numerous objects
Beaucoup and Nombreaux are roughly synonomous, at least in meaning, though apparently not used in a similar manner. if one were to use "beaucoup", it would be before the "de" - "il a beaucoup d'objects...". But here, the adjective is before the article - "il a de nombreaux..." Am I missing the simple reason?
Well, they are two different parts of speech: beaucoup is an adverb and nombreux is an adjective. In French, that is simply how the structure works: beaucoup de/d'... and de nombreux...
The "de" before nombreux is not plural because when you have adj + noun, des becomes de.
Thanks. That's HUGE. In English they're both adjectives, at least according to my old and venerable American Hetritage disctionary. In French, though, "beaucoup" is an adverb. So, maybe we should consider that it doesn't mean "many", which modifies the following noun, but rather, perhaps, something akin to "abundantly", which would modify the preceding verb: "He abundantly has very ugly objects." OK, that's not good, but, somehow the idea that "beaucoup" is an adverb needs emphasizing.
Il a beaucoup de choses. → He has lots of things.
Il a de nombreuses choses. → He has numerous things. (Remember that indefinite article "des" becomes "de" in front of a plural adjective. English doesn't have this article, of course.)
plusieurs = several
nombreux = numerous
you can say 'multiple' instead of 'plusieurs' https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/french-english/multiple
What did you type? Could it be the construct of your sentence?
If you typed "il a de ... " the corrected response will be "nombreux" since "il a de nombreux..." is the right form.
If you typed "il a ...(without de immediately following)" the corrected response will be "il a beaucoup d'...."
The "de" precedes "nombreux" and follows "beaucoup"