How long does it take the average person to learn Chinese ?
So glad that Duolingo finally has the Chinese course available and I am already going through it now!
I was wondering how long does it take to learn Mandarin to the point where I can speak/read it pretty well? I know that I am visiting China in the summer and probably moving there in around 4 years so I guess I have a clock ticking, anyone with experience on this matter? Thanks!
I use SpeakChinese for speaking practice. It's made by the people who created HelloChinese. It's free and it rates your speech and helps you become better over time. It's good if you don't have any Native speakers or teachers to help you at this time.
I was working 3 months in China this year and I met some Westerners living there while I was traveling in Tibet. I noticed that quite many who were fluent had studied about 3-5 years. Like they were really good and had no problems to communicate even in the phone with the natives.
Before China I had studied Chinese for 1 year (1 class/week) and I struggled a lot. I lost all of my motivation in one point and after returning to Finland I didn't open my Chinese book or study any Chinese until now. I feel like after a small break I know the basics quite well, but yeah I think I need about 2-3 years to talk fluently. At least now I have the motivation again.
I've studied Chinese for 7 years (6 university semesters) and I could get around Shanghai pretty okay when I lived there. Having a conversation without stumbling a lot is still pretty difficult for me, but it's getting easier. :)
There's no one-size-fits-all answer to this one, but 4 years seems more than enough time for me. People talk about how hard Chinese is and I really disagree. I think if you approach it the right way it can actually be easy.
I have known people who put 2+ years of intense study into Chinese only to get really limited results, have poor conversational skills, and retain very little after some time passes. I know people who went to China on trips and picked up very little of the language.
On the other hand I have put in a lot less effort than that and gotten a lot more. I think for me, I realized that pronunciation was key. Most Americans don't really do a passable job, let alone a good job, of learning Mandarin pronunciation. There are the tones, which some people either ignore or fail to master, but I think a bigger problem can actually be the pronunciation of vowels and consonants. More so than a lot of other languages, the consonants in particular in Mandarin don't map cleanly onto English consonants...and the romanizations can be deceptive. So for example, when I first started learning, I would sometimes mishear "k" as "p" or "d" as "t" or "j" as "d", or any number of other connections that I wasn't even "watching for" if that makes sense? Like it really had me scratching my head. I also noticed that I'd try to pronounce something and native speakers would hear me totally wrong, or would be confused as to what I was trying to say, because of my consonants.
I went back and really paid more attention to the pronunciation and now things are really different. Native speakers now tell me that my pronunciation is unusually clear and correct for an American and that I sound pretty natural.
When I got to that point, suddenly the language seemed much more easy and accessible to me. The grammar is very logical and I find it was easier to get into more complex constructions in Chinese than some languages because there are no endings to words and the word order is very predictable.
And practicing it is easy! There are Chinese people virtually everywhere these days...I encounter them in my daily life almost every day, because I work at a university, and when I've traveled abroad I've met them in other countries too. There are ample opportunities to practice Mandarin! And lots of native Mandarin speakers who want to work on their English and who love sharing their culture too, so I find it's easy to have conversations where we are both learning lots of stuff!
And the writing system is also much easier to crack because of online tools. I primarily encounter written Chinese online, and online it's just a couple clicks to translate something AND see how it's pronounced.
So Chinese actually feels a very accessible language.
Thanks - this was a very encouraging note to read to orient myself as I dip my toes into Mandarin.
One should measure study time in hours, not years.
Compared to learning a language close to English (starting from English), I would say that it takes 3 or 4 times as long to reach the same proficiency.
Are you using other sources to learn Chinese? It would help your learning if you used multiple sites. And do you know if you need simplified or traditional? I don't know Chinese but I've researched it some
I use Memrise (mostly speaking) also and HelloChinese and I think simplified would be the best way for me
There's a few other things you can use like LingoDeer and ChineseSkill. I use those along with the other apps you use. I've also heard there's another one but I haven't tried it. Duolingo is simplified and mainland Chinese uses simplified. If you do to countries outside of china they use traditional. Other places use Cantonese and other dialects so you might want to pay attention to things that which might help you on your trip.
Edit: I found another app but it throws you straight into the deep end even though it's a level one. I can't find the other app people have been taking about but if it's this one it isn't good.
I will download LingoDeer and ChineseSkill, thank you and yea I read up about this... what is the other app? :)
LingoaDeer is a good app. Currently I use it for Japanese (Chinese and Korean are the other languages).