"她给了我一袋水果。"
Translation:She gave me a bag of fruit.
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对！This was very confusing. "给" is still not pronounced "gei4" as of June 2019.
Yes, but not for this sentence. I just asked my girlfriend, she's a native speaker, and she said it's wrong.
Agree. It is confusing if there is an alternate pronunciation and it is nit explained at least.
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That's true, but when used as a single-character word, as it is here, it is pronounced as gei3. The ji3 pronunciation comes when used in multiple-character words, such as 给付 (to pay).
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It's an aspect marker, not a tense marker. Those two are quite different. You can think of them as completion markers vs time markers. Mandarin only has aspects, while English only has tenses. (My mother tongue has both)
给 can also be pronounced as 'ji3' well thats what pleco dictionary says.
Just move on to "sents", on the right. You'll see that this character is only sometimes pronounced ji as part of words. - And still, the occurrences are pretty rare. - When your message is delivered, no need to come back and repeat it twice, we got it, k. And try to ask yourself, then, if you interpreted Pleco well.
Pkease fix the voice from 'ji' to 'gei'. This is very confusing when training listening skills.
what is the difference between 包 and 袋 ？ both are translated in "bag" according to duolingo. Or is 袋 just a measure word, while 包 is the real word for bag ?
Generally you could think that 包 is a closed bag like a sack of rice and 袋 is an open bag (like you might carry groceries in).
If you are at the shops and you want to use your own carry bags you could say 請不用袋子 = "please don't use bag(s)".
The word for basket is 籃子, you see this word in the Chinese term for basketball: 籃球. So if the sentence was 她給了我一籃水果 then you could translate it as basket.
I believe 包 is wrap, pack, etc (also package etc). The character kinda looks like what it means. Sometimes a bag is what the item is packed in.
And 袋 is bag or pouch. Something you can carry items in.
They are sometimes used interchangeably (think how we can say a sack of flour, a bag of flour, a pack of flour and they could all refer to the same item on the supermarket shelf in the right context).
I think they both can be used as measure words.
All my own understanding over time so native speakers please correct me.
I think that, even in English "a bag of fruits" is not correct. "Fruit" is already plural, so it doesn't require an s except in the very rare case where you're talking about multiple pieces of multiple kinds of fruit and you need everyone to know that there are definitely multiple kinds. It still sounds odd.
I am a native English speaker and English teacher, and I've said and heard "bag of fruits" (indicating a variety of fruits). It's correct, even if it is not a common phrase in your region.
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If there is more than one kind of fruit, you could say "bag of fruits"... although, "bag of fruit" would also be grammatical.
fruit can be countable or uncountable but by habit we use the uncountable more
how come it is 'a bag of fruit' and not 'a bag of fruits'? is there a plural form?
Generally speaking, the plural of "fruit" is "fruit". It's like "deer" and "fish".
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Does 給了 imply past tense i.e. gave? (Just checking as I typed "she gives me a bag of fruit" but this was wrong.)
"Fruit" is plural if you have multiples of the same type (a bag of apples = a bag of fruit) and "fruits" is plural for multiple types (a bag of apples, oranges, and bananas = a bag of fruits)
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This is technically correct, even if not used much in practice. I wish people would do some research instead of just downvoting.
This is the first time i heard gei pronounced as ji. As per my native speakers it was correct but apparently it's not used to often anymore. Ji only used when they want "to supply"
My Chinese wife explains it as 袋 is a open bag you would carry fruit and vegetables in, but could also be a chips bag or a huge sack of rice. And 包 is more of a bag that fully covers something and it being sealed. For example 一包 period pads. So she says in most cases you can exchange them but if you are not sure then just use 袋. A lot is just studying a lot and finding it out along the way I guess.
My Chinese wife explains it as 袋 is a open bag you would carry fruit and vegetables in, but could also be a chips bag or a huge sack of rice. And 包 is more of a bag that fully covers something and it being sealed. For example 一包 period pads. So she says in most cases you can exchange them but if you are not sure then just use 袋. A lot is just studying a lot and finding it out along the way I guess.
Because 一袋水果 means “a bag” “of fruit”. 一个水果的袋 would be the structure you’d use to say “a” “fruit bag”. (But I don’t know if you can use 袋 like that).
What I mean is:
We’re counting -fruit- in units of bags.
Your sentence is counting -bags-, of the type that carry fruit.
So indirect object before direct object, is that right? Is it always like that?
I think I haven't seen the character 把 yet in duolingo. For anyone reading this comment, this video is very interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnvEr0rJO0Q
Yes, sorry, I didn’t mean to suggest that had been taught yet, but it will be later.
I'm confused. What sorts of things should you the translation for “一袋” as opposed to “一包” which are both translated as "a bag of"?
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No, 袋 is the measure word in this case. The fruit is being counted in "bags". How much fruit? One bag of fruit.
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