"除了茶，你还想喝什么？"
Translation:Apart from tea, what else do you want to drink?
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"Aside from tea, what would you like to drink?" Also, I'm concerned that Duo Lingo isn't teaching yiwai (以外) with this grammatical structure. Typically you would say 除了茶以外，你还想喝什么？
I've never used it before. What does the yiwai do for a sentence (ie does it emphasize, mark the subject, pair with the preposition etc)? What grammatical form is it?
"apart from tea, what else would you like to drink" was rejected but should be accepted
So was "Other than tea"...
Chinese is easy. Trying to guess which of many possible translations this half-finished duolingo course wants us to use is impossibly hard.
@Kyle - this is precisely the problem. Majority of learners here are spending more time 'brute forcing' their versions of English rather than moving on and learning more Chinese.
I guess it kind of reveals how "brute force" Duolingo is in getting correct answers.
"In addition to tea, what else would you like to drink?" is also not accepted. I think there is no difference between "would like" and "want" here.
The advice for this section is to translate "除了..." to "In addition to...". But that was rejected. "Apart" seems like a good translation, though, as it hints at the other meanings of 除, like "divide".
'In addition to' does not mean the same as 'besides', so I am completely confused by this sentence. Does the Chinese sentence mean that they are giving you a cup of tea and asking if you want another drink as well, or are they taking the teapot away and offering a substitute? Can anyone shed more light?
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In addition is acceptable due to 还 which carries the meaning of something (similar) else. That's not to say that this is the best, or a good, translation, only that it is no unacceptable.
The first scenario you mentioned is possible, on its own. The second would be, too, with a context, such as a waiter clearing out the tea things.
This exercise is confusing because the Chinese is using the verb "除", but the official English translation is using the preposition "besides". I'd say that the literal translation of "除了茶" is "tea excepted" or "tea excluded".
Unfortunately, neither are excepted in answers in combination with "what else would you like to drink?"
There is a big difference in meaning between "除了noun，...还..." and "除了noun，...都...". When used with 还, the noun in front is part if a group, and the rest of the sentence shows something additional is being added to the group (in this case, what additional thing to you want to drink?). In the 都 version, the noun in front with 除了 is the excluded from the group represented by the rest of the sentence.
Thank you for your explanation! Does this mean Case A: "除了茶，你还想喝什么？" -> I know you want tea, what second drink do you want? Case B: "除了茶，你( 都??) 想喝什么？" --> You can't have tea, is there anything else you'd like? Is the 都 optional or necessary here?
It seems like the person who writes the Questions and the person that writes the Tips aren't communicating and occasionally contradict each other.
Question With Accepted Answer: 除了茶，你还想喝什么？ Apart from tea, what else do you want to drink?
Tip: 除了茶，你还想喝什么？ In addition to tea, what else would you like to drink?
My Answer Marked Incorrect: 除了茶，你还想喝什么？ In addition to tea, what else do you want to drink?
As you can see, the only difference between my incorrect answer and the accepted answer is that I used "in addition to" instead of "apart from". My answer applies what was taught in the Tips section while the accepted answer does not. It's frustrating because I feel this lack of self-consistency defeats the purpose of the Tips section altogether. :(
12.15.2020 the audio of hài as in 还 sounds like "huan"? anybody else getting this?
These are not translations.
This course is teaching us Chinese through English. So the answer teaches us what does 除了mean; what does 还 mean (assuming you already know what does 你 mean, what does 想 mean, what does 什么 mean etc.)
Just to let you know, I've been following this learning path. Build on the knowledge gained from past modules. Focus on - what's new in this module? In this sentence?
Rather than treating every single sentence I encounter here as a translation exercise... My 2 cents.
I'm writing this comment on 8/15/2020. Does anyone know if Duolingo updates the material based on our comments?
I think "Alert from tea, what else would you like to drink?" should be accepted
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What does this character 还 mean in this context? I checked my dictionary but could not find the meaning "else".
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"Other than tea, do you want something else to drink?" Marked wrong. Is it? It's subtly different from other attempts mentioned here, so I'm not sure if it works or not.
