https://www.duolingo.com/LeCrioxRouge13

What are your thoughts on constructed Languages?

I want to know how you feel about constructed languages and the largest Esperanto. And the smaller ones like High Valyian, simlish and etc.

Esperanto is actually related to other languages than just made up.

November 25, 2017

15 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/Dcarl1

I think as an intellectual exercise, it’s brilliant. We humans are pattern-makers in our bones, whether it’s architecture, mathematics or constructed languages. Patterns are a way to make sense of and structure the world around us.

Beyond that I don’t see the appeal at all, and they are not for me, but as they say - “one man’s trash is another man’s treasure.”

November 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/LeCrioxRouge13

InterestIng, Thank you

Dankon!

November 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/wombatua

I agree with Dcarl1 - interesting intellectual exercises, absolutely pointless for real life as far as I'm concerned (Esperanto had very lofty goals when it was created, none of which have come anywhere close to realization). Same with Klingon - it's interesting how Okrand et. al. have selected various features of natural languages to make Klingon as odd as it is - but I'm not a Star Trek fan and see no point in personally learning it. However, if you (or anyone else) want to learn one of them, or multiples of them, knock yourself out. There's no skin off my back...

November 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/isnottogive

I actually love them, and it probably is because of both my love of languages and that I am a massive nerd.

I tried to learn Quenya in my early teen years during my LOTR phase though I ended giving up because I was not as accustomed to language learning as I am right now (might take it up again, since I have definitely not grown out of that phase! XD).

When Duolingo released High Valyrian I was ecstatic, and even if it's taking me a bit more than I expected I am enjoying it a lot.

Esperanto, I started it yesterday and I'm finding it surprisingly easy (Probably because of the previous knowledge of other languages.)

And if it ever comes out, I'll pick up Klingon if only because my dad was a massive Star Trek fan and me learning it would be a sort of homage and a way to keep his nerddom alive.

So yep. I love them.

November 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/FreeHelicopters

Intellectual exercise. Yeah they are not practical but if people enjoy the mental exercise learning them, that's no less valid then doing a crossword puzzle.

November 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/MasterZsword

Recently, I've heard harsh things about constructed languages, especially Esperanto. I'm indifferent towards the idea of constructed languages because I have never tried to learn any. However, I feel it's a great display of human inventiveness and intelligence for people to actually develop a constructed language. I'm even more fascinated when an author constructs a language for his/hers novel or any fictional story. I don't see much use of them in the real world, but nonetheless, it's great to see them.

November 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Toby_Butcher

I highly recommend constructed languages, especially Esperanto. However, don't choose it over a traditional language.

November 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/vegjjany

I think that a constructed language should be the international language (I know, it is not the most achievable dream, but I think it would be the ideal).

When a natural language becomes the World's lingua franca (mainly if it is the national/official language of some country) it tends to gradually replace the local languages by that lingua franca, which is, in the nowadays case, the English language, that represents today mainly the USA (well, because of the global power of the US, English is used today as the world's lingua franca), which most people in most places around the world want to "copy" or to be like it (I can say it for what I see in my country, Brazil).

It can literally destroy the language diversity, and this is really sad (it also seems very uneven, it is not because the USA is the most powerful country in the world that English is the best, easiest and coolest language, it is as interesting and rich as Quechua, Welsh, Catalan, Spanish or Swahili are). I don't see any problems with language exchange (influence of a language over another), but this is reaching extremely unequal proportions with the English language.

I really don't dislike the USA, the US American people or the English language itself (just to clarify haha), but I think that the world is much bigger and much more diverse than just the United States and the English language.

As Esperanto is the most spoken constructed language in the world, I think it is a good choice to be the "neutral, non-culturally impositive, universal language of the world" as we need to have a lingua franca to communicate with people from different countries and different cultures.

November 26, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/wombatua

But Esperanto does have cultural baggage - Zamenhof was European, and his creation principally draws from European languages. If your native language is isiZulu, or Cantonese, or one of the many languages of Papua New Guinea, you're out of luck.

And whatever one thinks of the US, or the dominance of English, it would seem to me that that ship has sailed. How do you propose - realistically - that Esperanto would ever supplant it? Aside from die-hard Esperantists, there's no interest in it. I doubt that many people here in the US have even heard of it, especially those without a college education (which is the majority), and they'll have other interests over learning a constructed language to communicate internationally when they already view English as playing that role. I'd venture that residents of other English-speaking countries would react similarly.

November 26, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/vegjjany

Yes, I said at the start of my comment that it is not the most realistic idea, just that is would be the ideal (a world without death and full of peace would also be ideal, however it is impossible).

Esperanto does have some cultural baggage, I don't deny it. However, its status of lingua franca wouldn't make mention to any specific culture or nation, like the English language does, so it would be better than any natural language could be in that sense and its use as international language wouldn't imply in a (at least significant) cultural imposition (directly or indirectly).

The fact that the Indo European languages are the most learned (which includes English, Spanish, French, German and Italian) and spoken around the world strengthen the argument that the use of Esperanto as lingua franca would be a good alternative for English, as even though it would be pretty eurocentric, it at least wouldn't be (put a nation here)-centric.

I understand the point of the native English speakers. However, the whole non-anglophone world is many times forced to learn English, why the US Americans couldn't learn an international language? It isn't easy at all for people from places like Latin America learning English (most people who learn/ learned something about Esperanto agree that it is easier and its grammar is much simpler than English's). The USA's situation is much more comfortable than the huge majority of the world's population. Most countries have a much worse educational system than the US has, it includes mine, here almost nobody knows English, but since 2016 brazilian students "learn" (because the educational system here is really really bad, we just learn "verb to be") English as a basic subject on an equal footing with Portuguese and Math (so they are considering English more important than Geography, History, Chemistry, Biology and Physics, this is something that just freaks me out; imagine if Spanish or German were the lingua franca instead of English and you guys had to learn one of them as a more important subject than those I listed).

November 26, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/vegjjany

Luckily I did the High School before this change, being able at least to choose between two foreign languages (English or Spanish), and I chose Spanish (all the 3 High School years without English, just doing Spanish). Now the students are forced to do English and they only can learn other language if the school wants to offer an "extra-language" to be taught along with English and Portuguese.

November 26, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/user2378953

I thought about learning Esperanto a few times in the past, but eventually decided against it. I think the ideology is great; the thought that everyone can learn a language easily and communicate without limitations and discourse is a beautiful dream, but it's just that, a dream. The sad thing about Esperanto is, despite its loyal fan-base, most people do not learn it. And that defeats its goal of being a world language for all. For language-lovers, it's refreshingly simple; the strict, regular rules make it appealing for anyone who knows the struggle of grasping irregulars and wacky grammar in natural languages. It's easy to learn, which makes it great for communicating quickly and getting your point across, but also not so good for exploring deeper meanings. Esperanto is so simple that it lacks the exquisite and intricate aspects of a real language. And not to mention that conlangs have very little literature. Esperanto is a slight exception, but it's still hundreds of years behind even the youngest natural languages as far as books, music, and history go. There's just not that much stuff when it comes to a constructed language. I think it's a good idea for those who have a passion for the language, or want to connect with the Esperanto community, but other than that, the applications are few and far between. As far as Klingon and High Valyrian go, they're cool and it's a great idea for fans of the series from which the languages were created. Really, it's a personal choice that everyone has to make for themselves. If you love it, go for it. Languages are certainly not just about practicality. Do what you feel is right for you no matter what!

November 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/lizsue

Good points, especially about Esperanto having a community! :)

Even though it's not one of my own hobbies, learning Esperanto is still a worthwhile hobby. :)

November 26, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/RomanticRose

I'm not really a fan of them. To me only Esperanto could be useful for a little bit just to get ahead in another language rather than actually learn to try to use because I have no interest in the Esperanto community.

November 26, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/StevenMont553390

Anh tésrúsk rég, rát Usmadlo.

November 26, 2017
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