"My family and I all like fall."


December 6, 2017

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Why isnt it acceptable to put your family first in the sentence?



In the Chinese language, "I" is always put at the beginning of the sentence. This is different from English.


I'm resigned to this "me first" order in Chinese. The apologist in me suspects that it has something to do with Chinese prosody, although 我和我的 clanks to these ears.

Japanese makes things easier: 家族と*行きました。"I went with my family."

None of QEII's "My husband and I..."

  • Japanese uses と for both "and" (和) and "with" (跟).


You guys should really fix all cases of “的” appearing when the personal determiner modifies the noun to indicate a family kinship relationship. Almost no one says, "我的爸爸," but "我爸爸," and so on. Not giving a clear indication of which you want when makes this needlessly frustrating.


It is not wrong. half of the time I am that "almost no one". It just depends on the context.


Yes, IADOTC, but here we're talking about a limited number of high-frequency lexical items: 我家, 我爸爸, 我爷爷,我奶奶, etc.


According to the Tips in one of the prior lessons, "的" can be skipped to show intimacy. So, 我家, 我爸爸, 我爷爷,我奶奶 are all acceptable. Hope this helps.


I use the Chiclets interface, so know how many I'm supposed to use. I start by inserting them, but go back when I run short.

Automatically striking out such unnecessary instances would simplify checking and error tracking. "One small step for..."


In English, it is stylistically wrong to put 'I' first (eg "I and my family" sounds awkward) but I don't think that it's wrong in Chinese to say "我的家人和我". Can any native Chinese speakers confirm this?


Does it really need the 都?


If you want to translate the whole sentence as given then yes.

all => 都


I think it is probably as in English. If you just say "my family" it allows that there may be a dissenter in there somewhere, but if you say "ALL my family" it emphasises that there are no exceptions. I think that 都 does something similar.


It emphasises that both 'My family' and 'I' are involved in the VO later.


Unsure, but if you were just saying your family excluding yourself, then probably no.


I'm beginning to think so. Alas, I don't have a corpus to grep for 和...都 patterns.


In Chinese, you always put "I" first in a sentence. This is a special feature of the language.

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