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Circassian for English speakers

I looked for a post specifically requesting the Circassian language, but I surprisingly didn't find one. So I made this! I was recently listening to some songs in Circassian, and I thought that I would love to learn it. It is a fascinating language with around 1.5 million native speakers. It is spoken in southwest Russia, near the border with Georgia. Like many other languages in the area, it's pretty different from its neighbors. The language seems pretty challenging, but that's what makes it fun! Is anyone else interested?

December 11, 2017

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OmegaGmaster

Thank you so much for this post! I love the Circassian language and culture, and I would absolutely love a Duolingo course on Circassian! Have some lingots.

I will edit this post with some Circassian resources later.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vikqueen

I'm glad there are others who love Circassian culture!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jaye16

This is a link specifically for new language ideas. https://www.duolingo.com/comment/15014194


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Woof.

Jaye16, Circassian isn't on the list there.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OmegaGmaster

It's a reminder to Lrtward to add the thread to the list.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lrtward

And I did indeed eventually stumble upon this discussion :)
I will be quite glad when we have some sort of inter-personal communication tool available to us again.

I looked up Circassian and it's not a specific language. Apparently it's a group of languages, with Kabardian and Adyghe being the main (only?) member languages.

When jrikhal and I started the [GUIDE] we got all kinds of requests for languages (including languages that people were "about to start inventing") so we decided that we would only list languages with an ISO639-3 code. Kabardian and Adyghe have ISO 639-3 codes, but Circassian does not.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OmegaGmaster

Ahh, the struggle of naming the Circassian languages...

I think most of this struggle comes from the native name of the language. In Kabardian, адыгэбзэ (adygebze) and in Adyghe, адыгабзэ (adygabze). You see, адыгэ means Circassian or Adyghe (Adyghe can refer to all Circassians, even Kabardins) and бзэ means language. Therefore адыгэбзэ means "language of the Circassians" or "language of the Adyghe." The same applies with the Adyghe translation. Because of this, all Circassians refer to their language by the same name, adygebze. This causes confusion when it comes to naming the dialects, because most (if not all) Circassians will refer to their language as Circassian because of this ambiguity. A lot of linguistic documents and learning material on both varieties have referred to them both as Circassian, so that doesn't help.

There's a way out of this, but it really only works for Kabardian and is not really used, and that's to call the Kabardian variety "language of the Kabardins," which is 'къэбэрдейбзэ" (qeberdeybze) but this is seldom used from what I've seen. Most Kabardian speakers will just use адыгэбзэ.

From a speaking point of view, it doesn't really matter. If you can tell a Circassian speaker you speak Adygebze, they will be absolutely delighted, since very few foreigners have taken the time to learn this beautiful language, whichever variety they have learned.

Because of the point you made about ISO 639-3 codes, I will make two posts later requesting both varieties. I hope the people that upvoted this will upvote those as well.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vikqueen

Correct. Adyghe and Kabardian are the only two, and are very closely related. The Kabardian variety of Circassian has a lot more speakers than Adyghe, so I suppose that would be the one to choose.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tracy382545

Vikqueen :) I would be willing to learn both Adyghe and Kabardian. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tracy382545

Lrtward :) Can you please add the code for Kabardian/Kabardian (disapora) to the "languages wanted" list? "KBD". We would all really appreciate it. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nblaisdell

Does he get a notification when you link to his post?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OmegaGmaster

No, but if they see it here they will add it, since it's a quick and easy link to their thread and they can simply copy the URL of this thread, go to the link provided, and add it there. Several languages have been added to the list through this method.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lrtward

Oh, wait. I knew that already. ;-)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Woof.

Excuse me if I'm wrong, isn't Circassian more of a language family than a language itself?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OmegaGmaster

It is sort of, but there are only two dialects: Kabardian and Adyghe. Most Circassians refer to their language as Circassian, however, so there's some overlap. I hope in the future Duolingo can add both dialects.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OmegaGmaster

Both are also mutually intelligible to some degree.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Woof.

I see, thanks! ^.^


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tracy382545

OmegaGmaster :) I TOTALLY Agree!! :) I'm learning the alphabets of both and I HOPE to one day see them on Duolingo! thanks for wanting them both too like I do! :) AWESOME!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tracy382545

I've JUST started learning Circassian (adyghe) and Kabardian alphabet. :) they are complex languages but I LOVE the "flow" of them and the sound of them when spoken! :) I'm also JUST learning the alphabet of Archi and I'm taking that one letter at a time as well. So, HOPEFULLY one day they will have these on here! :) SOO GLAD you made a post on it and I hope these get put on the list! :) I'm GLAD I found some fellow "followers" of the languages! :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/williamliao238

I would also love to learn the Circassian language


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Volkan471400

Thank a million for this post! It’s really important for me because i’m a Circassian! Because of Circassian Exile and Genocide, my nation emigrated to Turkey in 1864 but Circassians are assimilated. I’m a Circassian who even dont know own language and i do wanna learn my language. It’s really important for my culture. There are 3-5 million Circassians in Turkey but we cant learn our language because of political problems. I wish I could take a Duolingo course for Circassian.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SpWdOK8n

I would love it also if I can learn Kabardian dialect of the Circassian language on Duolingo as it is my mother tongue.

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