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Upcoming Feature: Skill Levels!

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Hi everyone!

For a while on Duolingo, we’ve had a problem. Whenever we tried to add harder content in order to teach better, our engagement metrics would go down. Learners would get discouraged and leave the app. This made it really hard to make any progress on our goal to not just be a fun learning app, but an effective one that really taught you a language well.

We’re super excited to announce a new feature that we believe finally lets us teach better. We are adding a new dimension to your skill trees, which we call Skill Levels! Each skill you do will have a level associated with it (not related to your XP level). As you level up a skill, the types of exercises you see will get harder (harder sentences, more typing in the language you’re learning, etc.). You’ll also need to practice more and more to get to the next level.

We’ve been quietly testing this with new learners on Android, and the results have been awesome. Students are doing more sessions, sticking around for longer, and doing harder types of exercises. We also want to thank the wonderful Global Ambassadors who helped beta test this experience and gave great feedback!

Here are some screenshots of the feature on Android:

Levels Screenshot 1 Levels Screenshot 2 Levels Screenshot 3

You can choose to continue down the tree to learn new content, or to take time to review older material by leveling up your skills. This means more casual learners can get a good overview of all the material by going straight down the tree, whereas more serious learners can try to level up all of their skills and get a more in-depth learning experience.

Since the A/B test is going so well, we want to give you guys an early heads up that this will be coming to everyone early next year on all major platforms (Android, iOS, and web). We also aren’t done improving the experience, and we have a lot of plans on how to make it even better.

We hope you’ll love it as much as we do!

9 months ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Ontalor
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This sounds like an amazing way to balance the needs of casual learners and more serious learners. Looking forward to it!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Scarlett_Lucian
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So excited to try this when it comes to the web! My motivation has been lacking recently, but I think that this will help me get back into it! Thank you!!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeonardoN.M
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Stand firm Scarlett_Lucian, 元気出してね! (This expression in japonese means something like "Cheer up") ツ

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Scarlett_Lucian
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Thank you. I plan to do just that. :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Alf42
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Yes. I really miss the activity feed, which was a major social component for me, so it's nice to have something new to look forward to.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Talca
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When the activity feed left, so did all of my interest in Duolingo. I used be able to have “:conversations” with Latin Americans. Now—nada.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ivy839630
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Your number of completed trees is very impressive!!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Semeltin
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I must say, that it sounded a bit better than it is after the update, because we've lost functionality like a feedback when we should practice again and the option to test out of individual lessons.
Still, I have confidence, that the Duolingo staff will make something really good out of it.

I would love it if the lost functionality could be added back in in some form, that's why I've created this comment: "Suggestion: How everyone would love the Crowns :)" https://www.duolingo.com/comment/26860873

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeonardoN.M
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Me too.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AndrewDill19

you learn a lot of languages!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gevierre
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You'll get there, keep practicing!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chosenbreed

I don't think I want to get there! LOL

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chosenbreed

Still, do you have any suggestion for where I can practice French interactively with real people? At the moment the only think I have is Twitter.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Madeleineeeee

HiNative is really good for that. You can help people with English and get help with French from native speakers (ex. you can record audio in French and people can critique your pronunciation, or you can type out a passage and people can tell you how to make it sound more natural). I've also met friends there and we'll talk on Instagram or Snapchat. Also, Penpal World is awesome. You can meet a bunch of people your age who live in France/ speak French. :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michellesinghof

You might want to give Hello Talk a try:)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElizabethS746001
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italki

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/viklingo
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Tandem is a great app for this. You can chat, call and videochat with people who speak your target language. It has a great correction feature in the chat, which makes it easier to learn from your mistakes without the conversation having to be interrupted and it's very easy to find people to talk to.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/monkey_47
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Try DuoLingo Events (under Labs in the web browser version). If there isn't an event in your town, organize one.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jammy647351

Busuu

2 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lauren238772

me to. be nice to practice with real people not robots or whatever they use. also i think you have a typo

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dpatkat
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https://www.duolingo.com/ringette18

There's also speaky.com

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olivia20862

tandem is a useful app for that sort of thing too

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MagnusRehn

France?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Frecklebuster

My Language Exchange is brilliant for linking casual/more serious learners. You agree to help each other. There might be a small fee to pay to make initial contact - it depends on who is available , wanting to help you in return for you helping them in your language. You'll understand when you look at the site. Have fun!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RhonaTG

Try "HelloTalk".

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MaryAnne993219

Chosen breed?

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LazyEinstein
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It's a trap. I don't recommend it.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Harpissima
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So true!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FelipeM...

O que é uma armadilha?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MaryAnne993219

Which apps do you consider to be a trap?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dat_Cool_One

Wow what a load of languages I’m impressed! LazyEinstien

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FattigJente
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But does High Valyrian really count? I would take that one out, which puts him down to a mere 29 languages!!

;)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FelipeM...

hahahah

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TrixieReyn

how do you remember all of the different ones and which words go with which language? confusing!!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tony979198
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Do as many reverse trees as you can, e.g., with English, French and Italian, you learn French and Italian from English. After that, you learn English and Italian from French. And finally, you Learn English and French from Italian. Add another language and the number of combinations increases accordingly. This will teach you to easily recognize the differences between the various languages.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/monkey_47
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I do that, too, and find it's excellent practice.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dpatkat

Yes, it can be confusing. Yet in our own native languages we know words that are used only with engineering and sciences, or only with gourmet cooking. So our minds learn where we use those words.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KatrinaTheLamia
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Well, that is why you follow him around with a video camera and offer him some brewskis... for the few times he messes up.

It has gotta be a fun thing to watch. Maybe not experience doing yourself... but fun to watch.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nesh-BG

A lot of people use his profile. I do not belive that he knows 15 languages.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/shadey1337
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Merely completing a Duolingo course is thousands of hours away from knowing a language.

Edit: The person above me said that they didn't believe the OP knows 15 languages and they based it on the fact that he has 15 languages on Duolingo, hence I said that finishing a Duolingo course is nowhere near knowing a language, not that it doesn't help. The comment below mine is absolutely irrelevant.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Leydorn
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It helps a lot, though!

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LongHenry
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You look like my twin!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KaptianKaos8
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I'm not saying that you are, LongHenry and LeonardoLes_Paul, but are you a hacker? I'm on Duolingo about an hour a day for the last 200 days or so, and I havn't made anything of mine level 25. What's the secret?

8 months ago

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There used to be a feature called immersion that made it much easier to level up fast. You got points by translating successfully and you could get quite a few once you leveled up a bit. That said, LongHenry has been around for ages. I am sure it's legit. I would also say it definitely takes more than 200 days at an hour a day to get to 25. As you level up, the levels require more and more points, so it takes a really solid effort and a lot of time to get to 25 without immersion, which LongHenry clearly has, as it was only available for the original few Duo languages: Spanish, English, Portuguese, French, Italian and German.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DaveNewhouse

Agreed I do about an hour a day now. at one time I did closer to 2 aday. I just hit 20 . it takes TOO LONG to level up after about 16 or 18 IMO. That said my 213 day streak could possibly fall in the next month as I will be doing some traveling. :(

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KatrinaTheLamia
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Personally, I think how long it takes to level up past a certain point kind of stresses how impressive somebody who has gotten to that level really is.

You know, provided people can think in a more logarithmic style of number based increments. Much like how "Cent" work in musical intervals--something I think we can all agree is a common enough knowledge base that we can all follow where I am going with this. Since we all know about that 440hz noise...

Oh wait... maybe I could just acknowledge the level system might not be entirely straight forward, until you've done a bit of work with the language.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dpatkat

A personal measure for me, is to redo lessons without peaking at translations or tips. If I can read, understand what i hear, and write those, then that is real progress in my skills.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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I checked LongHentry's data. Their language badge levels legit from what I can tell with my mod console. :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FLchick
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I'm no LongHenry, but my lang badge levels are legit, too. ;-)

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Darkrai007

How do I turn off Crowns? Thanks in advance.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/darkestkhan
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Perfectly possible if he has been here since 2013/14...

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ofred19
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Level 25 is 25000 points. 100 points a day for 250 days = level 25. You can do a timed practice set of 18-20 questions in ~3-4 minutes. You do 5-6 of those and you're looking at a halfish hour to earn 100 points in your target language.

At least, that's how I earned my level 25's

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bob_Kline
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Actually, I believe level 25 is 30,000 XP.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IcyPolyglot

How many languages do you do?! I respect that. Have a lingot.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KatrinaTheLamia
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I respect that you are respectful

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/darkestkhan
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You sure of that?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Leo_Elsinga

Witch of all you learn now you really speak? I do Spanish for a while but no word comes out of me in real life.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/marsto

In order to learn a language. you actually have to speak it. There are many websites where you can partner with people who speak Spanish natively and want to learn your native language using Skype or a similar app.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Saheed727960

have you tried stories.duolingo.com , I just try to take part in the conversation. But not beats real humans. They have events on beta, I hope they nail that too. Great guys in this firm

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Evette480426

I agree, I've been practicing my spanish but retention is difficult without a native speaker to practice with.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/larsth
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You could do some work on your listening skills.

Listening is half the part of any future conservation. - it is very difficult and especially in the beginning., but you has to be able to listen and understand what have been said, before you can come up with any kind of answer, so i suggest that you start right now - the earlier the better.

In the beginning it would seem as there are lot of sounds ( phonemes ) that have no meaning - it feels like one big mess of sounds - and it seems that there - after several weeks of listening - are no real progress in the listening skills.

There is progress, and that will be your so called silent period - the period before you naturally would begin to speak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_period

If you continue to listen - for me it was about 4 weeks - you would notice that you can recognize every word you had learned, but only one word out of a lot of phonemes before and after the word.

About a month later I could recognise 2 consecutive words I knew, without any kind of effort. Any new word I learned was then recognised - not so easily in the start - recognise the word when it was being said.

I guess that if you - unlike me - haven't learned any non-native (L2) language(s) before - it could take much longer time, because you brain never has done that before.

I used and is still using LOS 40 to listen to Spanish speech / music. First it was the Anda Ya early morning program, and later their Latín channel.

To listen to LOS 40 en directo (=live) do:

  • Go to http://los40.com/
  • Find and click on ESCUCHAR RADIO
  • Choose what you want to listen, where Anda Ya en vídeo of course is watch and listening.

I have listened to Spanish radio for 1 year and 5 months, and now I can - most of the time - figure out what a unknown short word should be spelled.

I guess that my ability to spell an unknown word will come as I am expanding my vocabulary.


You can read about my first Spanish conversation here:

My first real life conversation in Spanish: Speaking with a costumer at work, a retail store

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/23909724

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bideckerz
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I'm a native speaker, if anyone wants to practice...

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/eekboom

Nice. That gives me some hope. I finished my Swedish tree quite a while ago and have now also done most of Babbel's Swedish lessons.

I feel I am no longer doing much progress, but have started to listen a lot to Swedish radio station P1 and my listening experience so far closely matches what you described.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MarkJavier

have you tried singing Spanish songs?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KatrinaTheLamia
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I know I have!

And I certainly do not know Spanish well enough to not completely butcher them!

It does not stop me from trying through xD

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dpatkat

You nailed....trying is key.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FLchick
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I spoke a while in Norwegian while I was dreaming two nights in a row.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DaveNewhouse

It takes a bit. but find someone who speaks and is willing to go slow in simple conversation. Once you get started it builds on itself with each attempt.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Anna527470

I've only just started learning. I wonder when it is feasible to expect I can start to try to have conversations?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mike14621462
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It depends on how much time you put in on Duo and elsewhere, check out online TV and Youtube for foreign films and music with double subtitles to become familiar with the various accents in your chosen language. You can also follow a few people and compete with them on your leaderboard. I recently started doing that and have managed to push my workload up from 50 to 400 XP a day. Good Luck.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KatrinaTheLamia
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Eh, before the skill level part is added, I would suggest that Duolingo is more a stepping point to start with before you have conversations with people in said language or consume media in said language.

This will likely change once the skill level part is on there... but...

The course ware--in its current state--is a quick and dirty starting guide that people will DEFINITELY need to go further from... but an AWESOME start to going further.

I'm not far enough in any of my courses here to know enough to do much for practical practice yet--and well... that appears to be one of the issues with Duolingo. You need to practically finish the courses here to do that part of learning.

(Paragraph added for reasons of Tetraphobia) So just gonna use this to further the hype-train on skill levels! Hurrah!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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You need to practically finish the courses here to do that part of learning.

No, you don't! :) You can start to talk to people even when you have barely any knowledge of the language. In fact, in some languages it's practically vital. I don't know if I would ever have finished the Hebrew tree if I hadn't found some teachers/exchange partners. It is haaaaard to have a conversation in a language you don't know much of, but it is incredibly beneficial. I'd suggest that starting to have conversations and forcing yourself to get practical practice even when you don't have much ability in the language is actually a great way to give your learning an enormous boost.

(I learned the beginnings of the past tense in Hebrew from exchange partners way before I got to it on the tree, for example.)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nimrod386674

Hello, Hebrew is my mothers tongue, I can help you. בלי בעיה

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Furstin
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@LeonardoLes_Paul, Would you mind to share your experience of using Duolingo and how to get the most out of it? Or if you've described it already, maybe you'd share a link?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeonardoN.M
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Hi Furstin! How are the studies going?

there is this post here  https://www.duolingo.com/comment/23833607

But feel free to ask any question, if my comment (from the link) is not totally satisfactory.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ZacharyRam12

ahhh, you're post is in Spanish!! I'm not there yet TT

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Elias.M.A
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That's actually Portuguese, lol.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HectorGBO

Level 25 in 7 languages... My respect.

5 months ago

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Ppl like that demotivate me. How am I going to be come a competent translator if people can learn this much languages!?!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KatrinaTheLamia
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This is the metaphor I would use to explain this stuff: have you ever competed in a sports event of sorts?

Well, one of the things you learn is that the people who get into the top ten, top twenty-five, top fifty, top one hundred--hell for some events, top five hundred are still EXTREMELY competent at doing their job.

Did a handegg team not get into the Superbowl? That does not mean they are still not very good at playing handegg. Did the Edmonton Oilers not win the Stanley Cup again this year? Well, their players are still skilled enough, that they will be traded to teams with more money for the next season to ensure they stay the Professional Farm Team of the NHL

Point is... just because you are not the very best--like no one ever was--does not mean you are on par with people who have no skill.

Just keep working at it, and doing your own pace with it. The fact you are making an effort already puts you beyond the people not actually trying.

Just by making a constant effort--sure you might not be the number one champion... but you will still be damned good--and worth people paying you obscene amounts of money.

Disclaimer as punchline: My favourite teams are the Edmonton Meat Eaters (well, they use an Inuit term for that--but I just like calling my handegg team "Meat Eaters") and the Edmonton Oilers. This attitude might be sour grapes.

8 months ago

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Someone else's achievements have very little impact on yours! Even the most brilliant linguist in the world was a beginner once upon a time :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cringeeeeguy

How long did it take for u tu get to these levels?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FelipeM...

Meu amigo! Vi que você é brasileiro ou português pelo Salmos que você colocou. Só tenho a dizer: PARABÉNS!!! Você consegue conversar tranquilamente nesses idiomas? :)

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Davidpastuck
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Wow you really like to study Duolingo, great job!

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SusieOp

Hello. I am so curious as to how you manage to study more than 30 languages. I'm deep into Italian and love it, but I think about it always. How do you do it?

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dianee212

Huh? There is so much confusion on this site. I speak Engish and French. I'm studying Italian. Only 3; not 30. Where did that come from?

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dpatkat

Better marker of progress, challenges make it enjoyable.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dpatkat

I have discovered that no matter my current skill levels, I benefit from listening as much as possible. Libraries, bookstores, and the appstores have movies in other languages, too. You might even find pamphlets in other languages. Dictionaries, children’s books, and Websites like Omniglot are very useful. Using the Duolingo website is better than the app for many languages.

Although, I did not understand if the old rankings in Duolingo, I know now that repetition always works. And now, in 2018, I am happy to see the skill levels are being revised to give us more complicated lessons.

Keep in mind that the rate of lesson development and improvement depends on volunteer creators. Spanish leads with many active contributors, and newer submissions like Korean for English speakers with a new set of contributor will need our feedback/comments, including encouraging these teams.

i repeat: the rankings are great fun to see, but real measure is to redo lessons and have more success each time.

As for speaking a language, you may be surprised by the feedback you receive when you try one word or phrase with someone from another country.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DonaldNguyen5

I agree. This is a great way to help both casual and serious learners, so the chances of students giving up would be much lower and students can enjoy learning a new language.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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I'm having so much fun with this new dimension. I'm stoked that it's being brought to everyone. I've been doing more lessons than I have in years! I'm currently working on a course (Spanish for English speakers) that I completed a few years ago and have just been reviewing each year. Reviewing, while still necessary for my own forgetful brain, was getting harder to do because I was getting bored. But, these new crown tier level things have me feeling excited again. I'm doing old stuff but it has a new feel to it.

I especially like that I'm not required to get 5 crowns in a skill before moving forward. Out of curiosity, I got all 5 crowns for Basics 1. I was exhausted from doing the same sorts of things over and over again, even with (10? extra challenging sentences that popped up along the way). The idea of getting 5 crowns in every skills was daunting and my motivation plummeted. However, once I decided to just get 2 crowns in each skill, my motivation sky rocketed again. Additionally, I realized that next year when I review the tree again, I'll still have more crowns to reach so it will be exciting again. So, I really hope this new dimension sticks around. I like it so much I think I'll cry if it goes away.

Thank you for continuing to innovate!

Edited Dec 21, 2017 to add this PS: The levels beta test should currently be available for all English base languages, minus Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. I just switched from Spanish to a few other courses I'm subscribed to in order to take screenshots to share. ^_^

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaye16
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Yes, emphasize that you don't have to get all five crowns before moving on. That's what I learned and then there was no stopping me. Finding I could actually write French without having to calculate declensions and conjugations. It was there in my memory, something I thought would never occur with a foreign language.

8 months ago

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I started the Romanian + Swahili Trees with the new Levels system. I'm breezing through Romanian (quite easy if you know other Romance languages), only doing the first level of each Skill. In Swahili, which is unrelated to anything I know, I got stuck within the first four Skills, but the new Levels system motivated me to keep working on it, until I could break out and continue with the Tree.

I definitely spend significantly more time on Duolingo with this system. Magic :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NedimAzapa

Hi, thanks for detailed review of new feature. Do you perhaps remember from introduction of this feature how did initially appeared skills that had previously been golden? Did they had max level already, or they needed additional "strengthening"? I need to know how will my golden tree look upon introduction of this feature.

Also, I am interested, are skill levels "decaying" over time without practicing?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sarefo
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This will probably be different once the system goes online. It's still a work in progress. They probably won't have max Levels, but something in-between.

From what I've seen, at the current version, Skills don't seem to be decaying.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NedimAzapa

I am looking forward to this feature. If all golden skills become level 3 or even 4, making tree gold again will be a new challenge!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jwbards
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6 April 2018 - Rolled out the change. Conceptually I like the idea of harder levels, but I'm not particularly enamored with the fact that each section shows 0 skills completed. Back to the beginning to get my golden trees back.

5 months ago

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Is there any way of getting a glimpse at the beta? Or is it just the mods and contributors who've been invited? (Nice perk for all the work you put in, so I'm not complaining if that's the case, but I thought I'd ask just in case ;))

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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It's not limited to mods. Some general users in the forums were added to an a/b test a couple of weeks after some of us were. So, now that it's been announced in the forums, I keep pestering some friends "have you got crowns yet? have you" lol. It's still buggy. But, I want them to have it. Despite the bugs, I like having the crowns more than not having them.

8 months ago

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Okay, so I guess it's just a case of being patient now... not my strongest skill but I'll do my best. It seems like if they're rolling it out to general users then the wait shouldn't be toooo long... :D

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ademord
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I can't wait either, I wish they could hurry a bit :(

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Acrosoph
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Thanks for this great feedback! So in your opinion, does this feature now seem to take away most of the advantages of doing the reverse tree?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hannah649004

Is it available for Hebrew and if so how do I find it?

8 months ago

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It will be available soon for all languages except Japanese, Korean and Chinese, and you'll get it when it gets rolled out. Patience is the only response at the moment.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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flootzavut,

Ignore my last comment. It is going to be rolled out for non-English-base languages as well :D

For those curious, See Karint's comment

8 months ago

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I just have to be patient... I'm trying,..

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mary819983

hey i wonder is this only available on phones because i dont have this on the laptop and i am currently following french

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie
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Noone at the moment has it elsewhere as Android phone, and not all Android users. In a few months time, it will be for everyone on Android, iOS and web: can't wait :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward
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AND WEB???!!!!! I love you guys!!!

Getting to be a part of the beta test on Android devices has been an absolute blast, but I have to say my mobile device typing skills are horrible. I am SO STOKED that this is coming to the web!!

I will say that at first I felt like "Ugh! This is WAY too much work!" because progress felt slow. But now instead of my obligatory 10XP it's rare that I don't do 100 in a day (or more). And as I level up in each skill, the exercises slowly get more challenging but somehow it's a ton of fun. I don't get as frustrated, because the change in difficulty is introduced gradually. I start with baby exercises like "tap the word pairs" or "tap the words to make the sentence that you hear" and by the time I get to the 5th crown I'm typing some pretty long phrases that I hear (but don't see) and it's easy and I UNDERSTAND it.

You guys have really hit a home run with this one!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gaius_Plinius

So it seems like this could be a reason for people who have completed their trees to go back and work on them again. Having tested it, do you think it would be helpful for people who are relatively advanced and have graduated from, for example, the original English-to-Spanish course

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Gaius_Plinius, I've completed both Spanish for English, and the reverse course English for Spanish. For me yes, it has been great to go back and work on my tree again. This is not my first time going back through this tree, it is the fourth, I think. (3rd for this account though.) This is my favorite session reviewing my Spanish tree. :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaye16
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Right. And all teams can now add lots of sentences at much higher language levels. I've only tried the French thus far and my hat is off to that team. Thank you French team and thank you Duo for presenting the format to make it all work.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dpatkat

Sometimes I took breaks. When I started Spanish or German again to my old lessons, I saw that they had added new words, or changed sentences. The Strengthen option is a good way to go, too.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dpatkat

I am thinking about trying the Duolingo Plus subscription to help with expenses. I believe in helping their mission of keeping it free. Also, with downloaded and offline lessons, I wont be anxious just because marathons on internet can be expensive.

8 months ago

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I definitely agree with "putting your money where your mouth is" as the saying goes. Duolingo is by far the best resource for language learning I've found, and it's available to a farm boy in India just as much as to a tech entrepreneur in Silicon Valley

7 months ago

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"As you level up a skill, the types of exercises you see will get harder (harder sentences, more typing in the language you’re learning, etc."

Good. This has been one thing that bugs me about reviewing—everything seems so easy. I like that a toggle will be added to allow for the challenge factor to go up.

Great to hear and thanks for the update!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lee963607

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1 day ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Leydorn
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¿?

1 day ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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Hey Karint and team, thanks for all the work that went into this!

I've been wondering, how does this work with spaced repetition? Will Duolingo still provide any guidance on when we should review certain words or skills? That was the whole idea behind skill strength, as far as I know. How does it feature into the skill levels?

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/karint
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Great question Simius! This is something we plan to tackle in the next iteration of this since it is one of the biggest things lacking in this first implementation. We hope to have that next iteration designed and rolled out as an A/B test before March, but a lot can change in three months so please don't hold me to that =]

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TalGlobus
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Any chance I could subtly encourage you guys to run A/B tests on web? I feel left out with my iPhone :(

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Trofaste
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First French stories; now this coming soon on all major platforms, I feel spoiled! It's not even quite Christmas yet! Thanks guys, this is really really really awesome. :))))) I haven't even tested it myself (thanks to your terrible habit of beginning testing on a device I don't have :p) but everything looks amazing! Can't wait for it to be available on web.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaye16
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Oh, don't get me started on the French stories. After my HS trauma with French, I was hesitant to take it up again until Duo gave me the opportunity to do it without Madame looking over my shoulder. Now, the new levels have proven even I can learn beyond the basics. And the stories which again I approached with trepidation... are a revelation. Beautifully done, fun and beneficial.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Edward482260

Wow, I can't believe you are level 25 in some languages! Are you now fluent in them or not?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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This sounds positively incredible: exactly what so many of us have been hoping for for so long, and, dare I say it, maybe even a little bit better!

Now if we can only get people to stop complaining about how iOS gets all the good stuff first :P

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bill147479
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iOS also got all the bad stuff first ie Gems and Health.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KatrinaTheLamia
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Hey! Stop messing with people's confirmation bias!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tiramisues
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Wow! This sounds awesome! I've been wishing for something like this!

I never thought the solution of reverse trees where the best way to go, just a workaround (and not available for Swedish anyway), I can't wait to try it out! Thank you!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
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This looks like an excellent idea! I look forward to trying it out.

One question: which trees will this new system apply to? Will contributors have to re-work trees before it takes effect in incubator-made courses, or will it roll out automatically everywhere?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/karint
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We plan for this feature to be available for all courses, but depending on timing, it may not be immediately available for Chinese, Korean, and Japanese since those require a bit of additional engineering work to make them compatible.

It will roll out automatically everywhere with no further work needed from contributors, but would also open up the opportunity for contributors to harder content to their existing courses if they wish :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EvgeniyChe3
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And can you enroll me in this feature testing please! I just can't wait!!!)

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/John_S01

I with you and can't wait for this to roll out. I would love to be part of the testing too.

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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At the time I started in the test group, it was only available to courses with an English base language, minus Japanese, Korean, and Chinese. This is not me saying it won't be available in non-English-base trees, just that it started that way and I don't know information outside of that.

So far, contributors have not needed to re-work their trees.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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Actually, that's wonderful news - I was afraid it would only apply to the in-house courses, or even just to Spanish like the initial roll out of "Stories"! But if it works within the existing trees, then that means I'll get it in the trees I actually care about most. I am a happy bunny - good job, Duolingo! I can't wait for this update.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
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That is interesting; I assumed the system would need to be told which sentences belong on each level—I am intrigued how it determines what constitutes a more difficult sentence if this is not the case.

Excluding JA/KO/ZH might have something to do with the lack of typing on the app. Hopefully this won't apply on the web.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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As I understand it Duolingo collects detailed data about correct/incorrect rates for every sentence it has. The algorithms then use this data to determine frequencies with which to present sentences to learners, with sentences missed more often being shown less. My guess would be that the difficulty classifications are made based on these data. After all, I suspect it would be somewhat hard for contributors to guess which sentences learners will actually find difficult.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/karint
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This is right on! :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Garpike,

I found 10 or so sentences that I found notably harder for Basics 1. At least two included direct object pronouns, which are definitely not covered in Basics 1. So, I think some of the harder sentences were rejected by learners because they were misplaced. But, this isn't true of all of them. Crowns are a new feature. So, folks can expect some cool stuff along with some things that will get weeded out. :)

See piguy3's comment for other specifics. :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/krpw1204

So skill strengths are gone?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/karint
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Skill strengths will still be tracked, but will no longer be as prominently displayed as they were. They will also still be used to pick which words require more practice.

We're thinking of ways to bring it back, but it's a double-edged sword (it's useful for some learners, but incredibly frustrating for others as it wasn't always accurate or didn't decay at the right rates).

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FilipFilip17
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Yes. Thank you. I see some learners ask for faster skill decay, which I don’t understand. If you want to study more, then do it.

As someone who has taken on a lot of languages and already completed six trees, it’s very frustrating to be told constantly to review something I know I mastered.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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It's frustrating to have a a big chunk of gold tree sitting there that you know you are far from mastering but giving no indication of what skills might particularly benefit from practice.

If you want to study less, then do it ;)

Long story short, karint's "double-edged sword" reference — yeah, spot on :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Edward482260

How long did it take you to complete six trees?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/krpw1204

Hmm, I don't really understand (sorry if I'm bugging you a lot) so will we still actually see the skill strengths?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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WaterPolyglot, I might have misunderstood, but, I think Karint is saying that we will not see the skill strength bars. But our lessons will still have us review skills/words that are weaker like before, because staff are still tracking that information.

:)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Maughanster_
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I’m wondering too...

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/krpw1204

Hey, haven't seen you in a bit :P

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ifphigenia
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Thanks for letting us know that the new feature is coming but I have a couple of questions.

As it seems that the A/B test has been deemed a success and new learners are already seeing the new version is there any technical reason why this can't be rolled out immediately?

If not, then what is the reason for the delay?

Assuming there is a technical reason for the delay, will the new version be rolled out piecemeal or all at once?

Is it possible to be more precise about exactly when this feature will be available.

Thanks again for keeping us posted, this looks very interesting.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/karint
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Reasons we can't roll this out completely yet:

  1. Levels still needs to be implemented on web and iOS
  2. We need to design the experience for non-new users changing over to the new system
  3. There are a few language courses (like Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) that require some engineering work to be compatible with Levels
  4. We're still tracking metrics for the Android A/B test to make sure long-term learning and engagement aren't negatively impacted (so, we want to keep the test running a bit longer)

My guess is this feature will be rolled out piecemeal by platform (not sure if web or iOS will come first). It could possibly be rolled out separately for Chinese, Japanese, and Korean depending on how long #3 takes. It is impossible to give a totally accurate time for when everything will happen, but our goal is for all this to be done sometime in March. It is very rare for companies to give time estimates like this lest we don't meet expectations, so please take this with a large grain of salt. A lot can change in three months :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ifphigenia
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Thanks for your very comprehensive reply Karint.

This is very useful information and I fully understand why you can't be too precise about the timescale. Fingers crossed for an earlier rather than later date than March for the Roman script languages and as soon as possible after that for the non-Roman script ones (Well, we can but hope :-) )

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/coto.i
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karint, mind if I ask about an old feature that, unannounced and maybe unplanned for, didn't make it into the new platform? It's the old but golden, even green, Conjugate button that once had a place inside the lessons, as it can be seen here:

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/3473372/Just-noticed-the-explain-and-conjugate-buttons-O

Could we put it back to where it was?

Thanks for your great work!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Hello ifphigenia!

When I joined the levels test group, it didn't consistently transfer the strength of my skills to the levels version of the course. Since then, others from our test group have pointed out additional problems. So, maybe staff is hoping to fix those things before a full roll out. I am only pulling guesses from my tail at what might be the reason for the wait though. :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ifphigenia
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Hi Usagi,

Thanks for your guesses, which sound feasible and make sense to me but I am also still hoping, for a more detailed answer from Karint. Fingers crossed! :-)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/coto.i
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Curiosity at its finest :)

8 months ago

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I love this idea so much, I want to hug it. I found with the last tree that I completed (Swedish), that my writing skills were considerably further behind my reading or listening comprehension. Having the opportunity to really nail that and get more in depth with my learning is very happy-making.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FsqBrDe
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It is very frustrating that I can't access one specific lesson inside a skill.

The fact that I have to do the whole skill (sometimes with 8 or 10 lessons) so I can find one word or one sentence in which I had a doubt is VERY frustrating and unnecessarily complicated, in my opinion.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Iwan735592

Agreed. Before this update I used to like to do each lesson 2 or 3 times before moving on so that I could learn the vocabulary better before introducing new words. I don’t know how I’m going to be able to do that now :(

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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Totally! The only way Duolingo can resolve this is to them making an official deck for every language course on Tiny Cards (same people behind Duuolingo).

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/setijoso
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I do that now since there's no way to search for words based on their grammar or topical genre.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/-LiamAnderson-
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This is a brilliant idea. It is good to know that you take engagement metrics seriously, and now that our trees will be revitalised this will definitely make me addicted to the screen again.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Multilingu901480
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I have an idea that might work with this. When practicing a skill, you have the ability to learn new words associated with that skill each time you review. The first time you learn a skill set though, you only learn about 1/2 the available words, and the other half doesn't unlock until you keep practicing it.

Either way, I can't wait for this to be here.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ProfesorAntonnio
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When I helped as a contributor I realized there a lot of different sentences for each lesson but when strengthening I always get the same repetitive sentences time after time and that's become really boring, so I hope you can fix it

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bill147479
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So there will be no strength bars? And what's the difference b/w this and strengthening skills other than getting harder exercises in subsequent strengthens? I think this will be a great system because I'm sick of rearranging tiles in the Japanese course. DL doesn't seem to realise that I've enabled my kana keyboard so that I can type Japanese sentences.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/krpw1204

If you scroll up a bit Karint answered my question, which is the same as yours.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NeonMoogle
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Ha, just yesterday I commented that I outgrew the German tree. Maybe this will bring me back to it? Looking forward to it!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cazort
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The German tree seems to have gotten much dumber lately...around a month or so something changed and it suddenly switched to a bunch of multiple choice exercises and really simple sentences, and it would repeat the same sentence over and over again.

It has been extremely aggravating to me.

Four or so months back the German tree had been challenging to me and I was still actively practicing it. With the new change, I've pretty much abandoned it...except now I practically want to strange someone on the DuoLingo team.

It's painful to me to see how they have been breaking useful features or aspects of the site left and right.

Let's hope 2018 represents some sort of change or turnaround.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/steelnothing
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This is Brilliant. Just what I have been waiting for. Having completed a tree and then feeling there was no next step, re-doing the tree but in the reverse direction, abandoning the tree to then come back sometime later to slowly turn it back all gold. Nowhere else to go , nothing else to do. This is so much more. More difficult sentences, a chance to progress. A way of keeping interested long enough for it to sink in.
Like learning itself some trees may never be fully completed in all 5 levels meaning there is always more to learn and revise. Thank you Duolingo.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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This sounds like the best Duolingo innovation in... possibly years! I'm genuinely excited about this.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zirkul
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I realise how radical this may sound, but I will stick my neck out and offer a crazy idea: how about the DL team first fixes the multitude of bugs introdiced in the last big update two months ago? Or perhaps just rolls back that update, since it does not seem that they are actually interested in fixing them: the bugs have been reported long ago, and yet... This is a very telling example: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/24701177$comment_id=24807290

I must say, as someone who has been on Duolingo for well over two years, I've learnt to dread the updates: the best features are either nuked by choice (e.g. the activity stream or immersion) or simply ruined by bugs (e.g. the notification bell), with seemingly zero interest in addressing them on the part of DL. Please, please, please, clean up the existing platform before introducing "new features" (read: new bugs).

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Multi0Lingual4
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Hey, this is a weird question, but will this affect fluency percentages at all? I feel like the answer is no, but it seems like, if you're actually learning more, then that should be reflected. Fluency is inaccurate and useless, but maybe that could be fixed, too?

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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Honestly, I'd much rather they continued to develop stuff like this than get bound up in a metric that's never going to be accurate. (I don't see how a computer program that's only interacting with you in a set number of sentences in specific ways is ever going to provide even the most mildly accurate estimate of your fluency.)

If they made it more a case of % of how many words from the tree are currently in your vocabulary, that would be more useful, but honestly, I still feel like stuff like making the tree more challenging for those who want/need it (and thus making Duolingo considerably more useful) is far more important than fixing the fluency meter.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/efisgpr
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Where is the "Give 100 Lingots" button? ;)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/atheistcanuck

tbh I'm not sure it's possible to have a really accurate percentage based measure of fluency.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper
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True, but it could rather mean that Duolingo might want to try/test a different measure instead.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN
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Probably a waste of time and effort better spent on other objectives.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jcricket1

When will fluency percent be rolled out across all languages?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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They sort of did the opposite -- removed it across all languages.

See https://www.duolingo.com/comment/26739837 (the Crowns FAQ), and search for "fluency score" within the page.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KatrinaTheLamia
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Honestly, it should just be labeled as some kind of "Progress/Effectiveness Meter" Or "Adjusted Progress"

Maybe just have a percentage of skill tree done as Progress... and then next to it have "Adjusted Progress" which is just what we are calling Fluency now... but labeled better.

Also... I think we should paint the bike shed blue! As clearly blue is the proper colour this bike shed needs to be! Any people against the blue bike shed know NOTHING about how nuclear power works and will endanger us all! US ALL!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cazort
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This sounds great, but, as with many of your recent announcements, I have mixed feelings about this.

This sounds like something that would be very complex and resource intensive to develop, program, and test, and any feature that is hastily rushed through is likely to introduce a lot of problems.

Lately, I've seen a very poor track record for DuoLingo in terms of maintaining what the site has. Examples would be how the recent introduction of the male voice broke the slow audio in many courses. Although slow audio has been fixed in some courses, many courses still lack audio on hover-over for individual words. For example, in Russian and Chinese this feature has been broken even though no new voice was introduced in these courses.

I am extremely frustrated at how many of my bug reports go ignored. I have submitted dozens of bug reports and only a small handful of them have gotten fixed. None of the character mispronounciations or missing audio has been fixed in Chinese or Japanese. None of the hover-over hint problems I have reported have been fixed in Chinese, and it's been weeks now since course launch.

The forums are still littered with bugs. New posts often generate a 404 error, causing inexperienced users to make duplicate posts. There are still threads I cannot read because I get a timeout and a 404 error. Users are posting in the forums about having subscribed to such threads and being unable to unsubscribe. I have reported these bugs and other bugs related to the forums, and none of my reports has ever been responded to or acted upon.

There are also many exercises for which there will be a problem with the exercise, but no way to report it in the lesson. For example, I recently did a German exercise and it was completely missing the audio, and it wanted me to "type what I heard" but there was no sound, so I got it marked wrong. I reported this...but I still see no evidence it has been fixed, and I have seen other users posting in the forums about it.

All the meanwhile I see DuoLingo advertising! I heard a DuoLingo advertisement on the radio the other day. I see the DuoLingo app advertised frequently when I download language-related android apps in the Play Store. Why would you want to expand your userbase, when you're already overworked and struggling to maintain your product as-is?

You already lost me as a paying subscriber.

Do you want to get me back? Then fix the bugs I report. Respond to my bug reports and keep me updated about what you are doing to fix them. You don't need to fix all of them, you don't need to respond to everything I write. Just try a little bit.

Don't be the giant black hole of communication that you are.

And PLEASE stop programming new features when you are clearly stretched thin and unable to maintain the basic features of your product. Prioritize...maintain stuff as-is first, keep existing users happy, and only then start expanding and doing new stuff.

I'm someone who, many months ago, made two very favorable videos on YouTube on which I talked about how I like DuoLingo. I am very, very close to making new videos in which I tell people why I think DuoLingo has been declining, and recommending avoiding it and recommending alternatives to it.

Having the staff continually post about this new and that new feature is like a slap in the face, given how many serious flaws and bugs I have reported that you have completed ignored.

It's a new year, 2018. Let's start it off on the right foot. Let's get a commitment from you all that you're going to be thorough about fixing bugs and communicative with users about them.

8 months ago

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Is there any public list of bugs and fixes?

7 months ago

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Great! It is a new approach to language learning! What about the "poor" XPs? Will they still exist in the main screen to show us how much progress did we get. What about clubs? Will you change the main motivation in them, that is the XP hi score? I suppose you don't. There were two main strategies to master a language so far. The first one is to get down to the tree despite that all levels are getting coloured again. And finally to get the trophy. It is more gamefied oriented than learning oriented. You can get it in about 3000-4000 XPs. The other approach is to keep all or most of the levels gold. It is a more efficient to learn than playing. The first one makes the learner bored after getting the owl. Strengthening is not enough motivation, I think.

I hope and I wish this new approach keep motivation to high levels. Of course there is an "obscure" grade that is fluency. I wish this index become a real motivation tool for learners who already got the highest level. I also wish I could choose the questions genre, more speaking than writing, acoustics more than reading, as everyone of us has a different learning style. Anyway, thanks Duolingo!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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It is important to have access to more or less sound or reading, whether or not it is based in learning style. (If the article https://www.teachermagazine.com.au/articles/tackling-the-learning-styles-myth oscalingo posted is true, it means that even if "learning style" was not true before, it has at least become true for some people who were encouraged into one or more particular learning styles as a children. That appears to be an alarm raised in the article.)

We have learners on Duolingo some of whom are blind, deaf, and hard of hearing. So, being able to turn off audio-dependent questions is helpful. I'm not sure the mechanism behind how blind folks have been able to use Duolingo, only that there is one and people have reported using it with success until it was accidentally disabled, prompting Duolingo to restore it. We also have folks like myself who have traumatic brain injuries which can affect certain types of learning approaches, or like my mother who has dyslexia and finds reading more difficult than audio. (I am excited and proud to point out that Duolingo uses a dyslexia-friendly font. I also point out that one font does not work for all folks with dyslexia. So, audio exercises are still important even for many folks with dyslexia. ^_^)

I do have a learning style I prefer. If learning how to sew or make something, I don't want to learn via reading or listening. I want to touch the materials and have someone walk me through making it myself. (added after I posted my initial comment.)

If I have a choice to listen to a book or read it, I prefer to read it. Listening does not hold my attention easily. I love these podcasts, even so I have to listen to them multiple times because I keep getting distracted. I will be listening to something one minute, then realize five minutes has passed and I I've gone on to do something else forgetting that I was listening. This is why I rarely listen to podcasts, even though the topics of some hold great appeal to me. However, if I start to give up on Duolingo podcasts out of frustration, I will start reading the transcripts while listening. (Currently, I haven't because I am trying to increase my listening comprehension.) (added after I posted my initial comment.)

So, yes different options for accessing Duolingo are important, even if folks disagree on why. I am grateful that Duolingo has provided a diverse pathway for learners to access language education. ^_^)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN
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Usagiboy7 - Interesting that you have a TBI, I have extreme dyslexia but that has not stopped me from being very successful in a field that requires a lot of book learning; but also a lot of hands-on skills. In the Army, my aptitude tests rated highest on mechanical skills. I just learned to triple check everything I read and write.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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slamRN, that's awesome! My mother has dyslexia as well. Nobody tested her for dyslexia until she was an adult. So, when she was a kid, thought that she was not intelligent. But, as she grew older she loved books. She used to read to me before I could read to myself. She still struggled. But, she was fortunate that her dyslexia was not to such a degree as to keep reading and writing from being impossible.

I don't have dyslexia, instead of have Irlen Syndrome/Scotopic Sensitivity what things look like to me sometimes example 1, example 2

As for my TBI, it affected my Parietal, Temporal, and Occipital Lobes as far as I can tell.

I had a hypoglycemic seizure when sitting up high, because of it, I took a long fall in which I landed on my head. Once I regained consciousness 20 or so minutes later, I looked up at the principal of the school. She was the only thing I could recognize, everything else was a shapeless wall of black. But, I didn't recognize her as I should have. Instead, her body was disarranged. Fortunately, my brain fixed itself. So, now I can see normally again. However, I went from top of my class in math to unable to consistently do math. I can say 2+2 =3. But, sometimes my brain might tell me that one of the 2's is another number, or I might not register that it is there. Or, I might perceive one of the two as being 2 10's and then it would be 2+2 =22. So, even though sometimes I can get things right. I can't do it consistently.

[Edit An authentic, real-time example unintentionally made itself available above. The equation I'd intended to write was 2+2 = 4. But, when I wrote 2+2=3, my brain told me I'd written it correctly. :P ]

Also have trouble with directional things. The most obvious incarnation is trouble with left and right. To help me moderate in the forums, I named things instead of relying on a "sense" of left or right. So, when giving people directions, I would say out loud or write "left-hand support tab" and then delete "hand support tab". Or, "right-hand incubator". That way I could tell them if something was on the left or right hand side. Sometimes, I still accidentally end up saying left when I mean "right" but members of the community often kindly point out that i've gotten it backwards. When giving directions in a car, I just say "towards you" (for the turning towards the driver's side) and "towards me" (turning towards the passenger's side.)

Off and On I would have difficulty understanding what people were saying. I knew they were speaking English, but, I couldn't make sense of it. My brain treated it as a language I didn't know. Fortunately, this came and went infrequently and now happens almost never. My own speech did not seem affected.

Concentration can be difficult for me and I struggle with memory. (My co-mods have been really great about this though. ^_^) I do what I can to supplement memory. I use search terms to locate previous text-based conversations, or just ask directly for a reminder.

I have a very slight color recognition weakness. Sometimes I will want to use a crayon or color pencil but can't see what color it is if it is close on a spectrum to another color. So greens and blues. Blues to purples. Reds to oranges. Oranges to yellows. Dark Greens to dark blues, browns, or blacks, etc. Oddest of all, I can look at a color, say one I'm not sure is blue or green. As I look at it, it will change from blue to green, back to blue and to green until finally I have to ask someone to tell me what the color is so I know whether or not it's the one I want to use.

And then of course there are the seizures. With those I can get auras (advanced warning of oncoming seizures), sensory and visual hallucinations, spacial perception disruption, and strange body sensations.

All of these experiences have taught me that if people ask a question that seems obvious, I or others might be making an intuitive leap that is a 10 miles wide for them. So, it makes sense to take them seriously and answer their question. When someone says "I finally reached 2,000XP!" and their streak is 1 month, I want to celebrate with them. It is likely that they have worked much harder than I will ever be asked to do in order to reach 2,000XP

There is so much more happening behind the screen of every username here. :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN
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Usagiboy7 Du hast viel überwunden. Ich habe mit TBI-Überlebenden gearbeitet. Du bist eine Inspiration.

8 months ago

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slamRN, I've not done much inspiration worthy. My brain didn't ask me to do any hard work to heal. It just did its own thing over the years while sitting on top of my shoulders. ;)

8 months ago

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Very interesting and informative explanation! Thank you.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Stergi3
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I didn't expected that a simple reference to "learning style" could fire up a conflict if this term is good or bad pedagogy, an old discussion I have heard some years ago. I have been teaching students for almost 30 years and I do not need any evidence to know that each one has a different way to learn. So as to use different approaches to teach the same subject, to catch up all. It is so obvious in language learning that we don't need any further proof. A baby can learn quite differently than an adult. And each one of us prefer a different method to learn. Some prefer to listen first than writing, some others grammar oriented skills, some others just keep an imitating method, drill and practice, and so. It is sure that most of us are older than babies :) So the method should be oriented to the age. I am not an adolescent :) so I need to compare new knowledge with my knowledge substrate, to correlate different views, to notice the origin and etymology sometimes of a word, to take a look at the discussion board, to search to a dictionary and more. This is my "learning style" or better, my method.

I know that some languages are difficult in acoustics and the phonetics quite different, German for instance, than my native, Greek, I can see it when I try speaking, so as I would like more exercises of this kind for my case. Instead I don't fail to pronounce some phrases from other languages, almost never, as in Italian and Spanish, they are quite close to mine. That's why I asked to have the option to choose.

I thing the problem is the same for all of us.

There is an entire chapter in Computer Aided Learning that it has its origin some decades years ago and it speaks about it, it th Intelligent Tutoring System, and I am not saying something new: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_tutoring_system

It is not also new this one: https://sites.google.com/site/webresourcesforlearning/teachers/personal-learning-system

I expect Duolingo to try going further to these options. I am sure she can do it :)

8 months ago

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This sounds awesome! I can't wait to try it out! Thanks duolingo!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dcarl1
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I’ve been wanting this for the web for years. Awesome!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/atheistcanuck

this sounds amazing!!!! I know a lot of people have been unhappy with not having enough practice writing in the target language so it's great that there will be a way to get more of that.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Johanzel3

I can't wait for the web version!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Matt92HUN
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This sounds great, my biggest problem with Duolingo is that it barely lets me use the language I want to learn, it just keeps making me type in English.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Matt92HUN,

While the levels encourage people to get more familiar with the material of their courses, another popular strategy is to take the reverse course (if available). After I completed Spanish for English learners, I took the English for Spanish course. It reverses the translation ration. The first course I was mainly translating into English. The reverse course had me mainly translating into Spanish. :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Giuliaccia

I completed Italian for English speakers, and just started doing English for Italian speakers. I am amazed at the boost it has given me, as I had gotten bored with doing the same lessons over and over again. I also find the shift in vocabulary quite fascinating — less focus on foods and family, more on weapons and court systems. It's both funny and terribly sad, but I'm learning a lot on this reverse tree.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/elizadeux
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I fear the crowns/levels might create a problem for those of us doing the reverse trees. Currently, it's sufficiently challenging for me to be able to answer mostly in Spanish. With the crowns, it appears that as I continue doing lessons, I will start to get more speak/type in English, which is the opposite of what I need.

I get my speaking and listening practice outside of Duolingo, so I'm mostly interested in grammar and being able to form a written sentence in Spanish properly. Of course, I will adapt to whatever comes, but it does make me nervous.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/b05aplmun.ca
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We are likely to find, though, that the Engish to Spanish tree is more useful, with more translation to Spanish.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/elizadeux
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Possibly, at least that would be the hope. My concern is that I would have to repeat a lot of material that I already know very well to get to that point. I'm keeping an open mind but we shall see. In the reverse trees, you type in the target language immediately.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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I wish this new feature will be optional - it's sufficiently challenging for me to learn all the tree at "crown no. 1" level.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Einati162, as FelipFelip17 points out, it isn't mandatory to reach 5 crowns on each skill in the course. You can go through and just gain 1 crown each and continue to progress until the end of the course. Gaining crowns beyond the first in each skill is completely optional. :)

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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Thank you for replying. People who got the update said the skill grammar notes as well as word list for each class were gone- can you please bring those back? (or make them available somewhere as PDF download).

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FilipFilip17
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I still haven’t gotten this feature, but once I do, my plan is to complete every course with crown no. 1 level starting from the top and then progress by one level every time I complete a tree.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Texas_Summer

By 'Early Next Year' when do you mean? 2018 (That is next year, it's just so close)? Super excited!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/karint
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Yes, 2018 ;)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ErinAndW
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Do you have a good idea of when in 2018? Does early mean February? or May? Or somewhere in between

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/som3rsault
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i saw the skill levels for a new account i created, but they have disappeared now. is that a bad sign for when duolingo will publish it?

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BelgianStr
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This could be great!!!!!!

I would start working on it right now if I could. I've been on the Reverse Tree because I needed more difficulty to continue learning.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Elin.7-1
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Sounds awesome...I'm looking forward to 2018...it will make working on Welsh Tree 2.0 more interesting whilei gild up to where I was on WT1.x

Yay...loads of improvements :o)

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SenorDustin

This has been begged for... for years! I'm so happy for this new improvement!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dbriggs831
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Great idea, looking forward to it on the web version.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Fitt3
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Is this going to be spread out to more than 3 languages?

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/karint
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All languages! And for non-English speakers, too :)

8 months ago

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I saw Spanish in the screenshot.

DuoLingo stories 1st/2nd language besides Spanish (50) is Portuguese (50), now French and also German

Is this feature really limited on several language for A/B tests and first rollouts in 2018:

And if YES, what will be the first languages?
Will Portuguese be included?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Hi Fitt3 and Thomas.Heiss,

The levels beta test should be available for all English base languages, minus Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. I just switched from Spanish to a few other courses I'm subscribed to in order to take screenshots to share. ^_^

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper
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Sounds awesome, I absolutely love the attention towards both extra content and more advanced learning past ~months.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dr.Manhattan95

This really is excellent news! I am ashamed to say that I quit duolingo a few years back because it stopped being an effective learning tool for me. However, I periodically check the website for new features or languages that might motivate me to go back, and I am glad I checked today! This will DEFINITELY bring me back to this wonderful resource. Thanks agan for keeping us advanced language learners in mind when rolling out this feature!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dweebs12

Honestly, me too. I outgrew Duo after finishing my French tree, and I was worried after Duolingo Plus was introduced that the site would never get any new features and would stay aimed at beginner learners forever. After this/Duolingo stories/the new podcast, I'm pretty optimistic that I was wrong. I'm really impressed by how things are moving.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaye16
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It works I'm thrilled. You can do as many levels as you feel you need then go on to other skills but whenever you want can go back and top up those you left. The feeling of progress and accomplishment is one we've been waiting for and I'm hooked on this new system.
And on the web, which I find easier to type on, there will be no holding me back. I'm flying on the French course as it is.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElijahCFGolpe
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OMG I needed this so badly. I haven't been on Duolingo as much anymore because of outside life and because I've just been kind of disinterested and discouraged with all the work I have to put into it again. I'm trying to re-golden my Spanish tree and it's taking so long and I'm getting so bored and I love Spanish but it's not getting challenging enough. Hopefully this makes me get back on my feet and encourages me to work on my other trees again as well!

This is so exciting! The whole French and German Stories and now this, I'm so glad and ready! I have a few questions though: Do our levels in future skills affect our levels in past skills? Like, if we finish the course and come back to re-golden or something, will the sentences in the beginning still be easy or will there be more difficulty in them? Also, do skills only become gold after one reaches level 5? And, this question may be annoying, but when will we get Tips & Notes on mobile? Lastly, will we have crowns next to each language flag online, some time in the future, almost as a way to show others that even though one may be low-leveled in a language, they have finished the tree and goldened everything?

That's all, thank you so much, I'm so happy and it's truly feeling like Christmas now hahaha! Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas!!!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wstockall
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An additional question. If you're introducing levels to the courses, is it possible that the top level could enforce punctuation/accents along with spelling instead of just a comment? Or is that technically infeasible?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/malkeynz
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Finally, a way to cater to both casual and more serious learners at the same time.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rendani7
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This is a great feature; I can already see it's going to be very beneficial. I can't wait to try it out!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeiferB

smiles from the darkness that is the duo forums hiatus

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Diablofire

I have some serious (;p) questions: Does leveling up a skill lock you out of the lower-level sentences i.e. do you have less sentences to practice overall as you progress? Or is leveling simply a weighting system, favouring the choice of harder sentences vs easier sentences, while still throwing in an easy one every now and then?

I'm afraid of being locked out of content, regardless of how it means one is progressing; however, I am a fan of the leveling system. I'm assuming it is linked to a hidden fluency score per skill. If so, does this mean that the skill level drops over time or still only the skill strength?

Any finally (for German... and all languages I guess), please add native conversations as a skill! Sort of like the stories. Y'know, the whole skill and each lesson actually being a single conversation that is naturally spoken eg. filled with every modal particle like denn, doch, schon, ja, halt, eben etc. and even non-modal filler words like so, na etc. to the brim and even some slang (preferably, a conversation is based in a region and the slang is locked to that region; however, national terms to be kept).

And finally (for German especially): how about some skills that analyse the different dialects? It is useful to know that some Bavarians (excuse my poor Bayerisch... ) refer to 'heute noch' as 'heint noa' and 'nicht wahr sein' as 'niet wor sie' etc. (Sorry, I went off topic here. This became sort of a wishlist rather than feedback :D)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaye16
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Yes, we all had that fear when we started testing. I started by getting two crowns in the first (easy) French skills then went on to harder ones and returned to the easy ones for review when I found I needed to. All my crowns were there waiting for me.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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Did you have to choose what level you want to practice when you started the strengthen exercise?

Or did it do it automatically with e.g mixing behind the scenes?

There could some options like:

  • specific level
  • highest you gained
  • mixed
8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Diablofire

By testing, are you referring to the skill levels? If so, are you able to return to the older levels for review? That is probably my biggest concern.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Speir_
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This is an excellent idea because it makes learning better for beginners or more advanced learners!

Thank you for this update--I'm looking forward to seeing how this feature unfolds in the future! :-)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Y9107g36

Hi, Duo! I am a retired modern language (Spanish, French, English) teacher.

I recently decided to use Duolingo to refresh my German.

I read this post with interest because I've found my "engagement metric" going down with certain lessons.

Some of the lessons present too much too fast. The information arrives in indigestible lumps.

Here's what I would do if I were teaching the lessons.

The first lesson that really tripped me up was the introduction of the dative.

What does the student need to learn here? She needs to learn four patterns, the masc, fem, and neut singular and the plural. (Okay, the masc and the neuter are the same, but they still have to be learned.)

Presenting the genders together in the same exercise makes it harder for the brain to perceive the patterns.

If I were teaching these patterns, I would teach them separately.

The first exercise would use only feminine nouns; the second, masculine nouns; the third, neuter nouns; the fourth, plural nouns.

That gives the student the opportunity to master each pattern in turn. And even though the masc and the neut are the same, I would teach them separately because it's so darned hard to learn genders, I would do everything I could to help students remember nouns by their class.

In fact, up until now, all the lessons I've had trouble with were the lessons about prepositions and case.

Each exercise, ideally, would introduce one new structure. For example, I would write an exercise presenting ams. Each of the sentences in the exercise would use ams, but with the different prepositions.

Then I'd introduce am, then aufs, then beim, etc.

And finally, I'd rewrite the Notes so that they contained only the information practiced in the exercises. So, for example, if the exercises presents accusative prepositions, I would leave out the info about dative prepositions. Less is more, here.

Thank you for giving me an opportunity to vent.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ycUvuSap
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You should post this on the German forum. It won't be seen here, buried in an irrelevant thread.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DuoIngTheThing
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My understanding of this comment is the following:

Basically, instead of incorporating higher quality content for the people who actually are willing to put in the quality time it takes to learn a language, the DuoLingo team is heading towards an oversimplified version of the software/app, just to obtain a higher engagement and/or rating. Whatever.

Dumbing down education for the masses is a rather stupid move. I rather it was the other way around. There's nothing wrong with educating the masses, but raise the level up a notch, don't lower the standards.

Most the people who get on DuoLingo drop out in the first few weeks of using it anyway. At least every single person I've introduced to this learning method has done so.

If you ask me, it has nothing to do with engagement, it's about people just being lazy in terms of dedicating quality time to learning something. There's no way around that, that's a fact, whether it be a new language or skill.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JHMcC

I wonder if this will solve the problem of excessive repetition of basic vocab and grammar which I have learned a long time ago (now 4 years on Duolingo). I no longer use the tree for this reason. Because of the need to learn new vocabulary, I've gone elsewhere on Internet because I'm no longer challenged on Duolingo. Endlessly repeating the same content has no appeal. So I look forward to seeing how this works. Anyhow, I do use Duolingo stories for practice which provides new content and conversation that is fun and relevant to my skill level. Glad to see the quest for improving Duolingo which I have recommended to beginners (as well as languagetransfer.org)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/o_scott

I've been hoping for this for a couple of years. Of course, I could find no path to make a suggestion because you have none on the site.

Also, while I'm here (not that you'll read it with 537 comments so far):

I like to help support fantastic programs such as Duo, but I hate subscriptions. If you will set up a "contribution" page, I would gladly contribute from time to time as I do with Wiki and others. I suspect there are many like me, who appreciate Duo very much, would like to help financially, but don't want to be saddled with "payments." Give it a try ($25, $50, $100); your coders could set it up in a day; and a contribution would NOT free the donor from the advertising.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BryonSmith1
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OK, so I hate this. How do I turn it off?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Omegatrekkie
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Good Morning As a person who was completely motivated to always keep all of the skills gold, this is the worst decision possible. I realize that it is inefficient to switch it back for a small group of people or, in fact, do the following. But would there be any way to switch back from the crowns which have now successfully repulsed me from Duolingo, as I'm sure it has with a number of other people. Many thanks

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/VjeranC
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But this is not the worst decision. They've done their A/B test and the Duolingo users obviously increased their usage of the application.

Given that their sample during A/B testing is representative of the Duolingo users, they do not mind if you stop using the app.

A/B test is not personalized for your own individual needs, it's optimizing over the whole userbase.

So if a bunch of users use the app more, but some leave because there's no golding incentive, you're in bad luck.

The world in whole is getting better, the individual response is not that important.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cleanthe3
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so : too bad for us "poor individuals" !!!! "you don't matter" is that it ????!!

I hate this new version too !!! way too much work is asked now ! It's like doing the tree 5 times with the number of lessons doubled each time you pass a level crown !! I don't see the end of it , it will never ends , how many time do we need to finish the tree : 3 years ??!!!!!! I don't think people realise the amount of work that we need to do now . Lots of people seem overly excited without having starting it yet ...... I know, I understand that it's the way DL want to keep their users : by adding more work : but to mee it has the opposite effect . Personaly I am frustrated and demotivated . I finished the english tree ,I was keeping it gold while moving forward with the others trees. Now I don't want to do anything in this tree : redo it 5 times with always more lessons ?? No, not for me !

I know learning a langage is a marathon not a sprint, but when I see the rest of what I need to do , I just lost my motivation and I will spend so much less time on DL now ..... Just the opposite effect on me ....

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/VjeranC
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I was being sarcastic. Of course population testing is ridiculous when it comes to learning.

You don't want to leave people behind if they can't learn the same way as everyone else.

It's just how the cruel algorithm works.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Cleanthe3
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Indeed ; sadly the website./app is not customisable enough so each of us can choose what we prefer ..

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/VjeranC
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Well, think from a perspective of a student. How does a student know which methods work the best? You cannot know how to push yourself to be most efficient.

You cannot know what features keep your attention. You might know which features don't keep your attention, but allowing users to accidentally destroy their Duolingo experience by themselves is probably not what is desired.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zsuzsi97194

Congratulations finishing your tree. Do you think you' have enough of the base to start using a different approach to continuing your study of the language? I don't think anyone benefits by being frustrated doing the same thing over and over again.

Before I was a language teacher in a high school I was an immigrant who had to learn languages in the schoolyard. Besides my native language which is Hungarian I had to learn German, English, and French because it was necessary.

At the time there were no English as a second language, or the equivalent, anywhere I was. I learned fluent German in one year and then we left. When we lived in Montreal I learned English well enough to be the best student in my class by the spring of the second year we lived there. In the meantime I learned French in the schoolyard, supplemented by French classes at school.

I was only a language teacher for a few years after graduating from university because the local school was desperate for covering those classes and I needed a job. I didn't have any experience in language teaching or any kind of teaching. I was an English major and continued to grad school a few years later.

The high school had a very forward thinking approach to language. There was no reading and writing in the first year, and therefore no written tests since it was in a time before testing was more important than teaching! The students learned the way that babies and toddlers do by focusing on listening and then recording responses on tape, matching them to the sounds, words and sentences they were trying to repeat. Second-year students who are ready doing some speaking and of course learning to write and read.

I have read studies that show that even most college students don't pay attention for more than 15 minutes during a class so three weeks spent in a high school language class is equal to approximately four weeks in immersion in another country. Imagine that!

So, I believe that you would be better off getting into any kind of immersion learning that you can. One good thing you can do, since you already have a good introduction to your language is to join a local language club that meets at least weekly for conversation. There are people online who would like to exchange learning English for teaching you their language, for free! using Skype, FaceTime or any other free video phone app.

I am sure you've heard this before: watch movies, listen to the radio, get easy books to read in the language that you are learning.

I am sure you will make progress without so much frustration. I really like duolingo but it is not intended to take you to fluency.

Keep moving forward!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tony979198
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Thank you for your insights. Very Good!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SquirlRat
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So my skills no longer decay? How am I supposed to know when to revise each skill then? Just going over the skills loads to get the highest number of crowns isn't any good in the long term if they don't decay and remind me to revise them periodically. Have we basically lost spaced repetition which I thought was supposed to be what this site was about?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MarinaGaya
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Hey I just feel I've lost my progress with this feature. Why should I return to the very basic? It seems pointless because I've always studied the old and new lessons, so all of them were gold. Can I return to the old version, or is there a way to make the exercises match my level again?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GrahamWarr

Most of us must have this problem. Before I found this Discussion, I'd posted this elsewhere: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/26635736 There is no suggested way to transition and so the question is how to proceed. Do I work through the tree again from scratch (Crown Level 66: why isn't it 0?)? I worked the first basic skill through to Level 5 (gold) and found it very repetitive, so there seems to be little memory value to go through to level 5 one skill at a time. Fortunately, I'd kept a detailed record of my past progress, and although my course (Italian) had just 29% of the skills on verbs, I'd spent 46% of my strengthening effort on verb skills, especially the more complex ones.. So my current plan is to work through the 19 verb skills (it would help if they were all colour-coded in the same colour!), increasing each skill by one level, and then repeat a further 3 times to get them all to Level 5. At that point I'll see how/if they fade over time, if the strengthening algorithm is still applied.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fin.props
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Please help me to revert from Crowns back to the original tree version.

I miss being able to get previews of different lessons and the vocab associated with each lesson. With Crowns, it launches straight into drills. No previews.

Someone please help me go back to the original version.

I felt really disappointed after converting to the Crowns version as I can no longer quickly browse through each of the lessons.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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Hi Fin,

you can probably do it (on the full desktop web portal).

FieryCat's thread Disable/Enable "Skill crown levels" (incl. formatting): https://www.duolingo.com/comment/26677923

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tolunayo
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This is nice! Thanks.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GrahamWarr

Working from this page my help: https://duolingo.eu/fin.props/progress/ It gives me similar functionality for my Italian tree to what I had before, and I'm using it to strengthen the skills that are no longer 100% (which was gold in the old system). Clicking on the skills presents the skill lessons in the way it was before. Clicking on the 3 dots gives you the Notes. For gold skills, the dates shows when you completed that skill.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rredfearn32

I strongly dislike not being able to see the strength levels for individual skills anymore. My learning strategy was to get/keep every learned skill gold before learning anything new. I found that I forgot things after not doing them for a while, so I found the decaying very useful.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaworek3211

Awesome! Can't wait to test this new feature. I've already finished whole tree, stories and most of the bots conversations. Seeing your hard work really makes me happy to use Duolingo!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/leCommune

I love it!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eden-Joy
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Thank you for doing this!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gorby19
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Will this be on the computer version of Duolingo?

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward
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Yes!

on all major platforms (Android, iOS, and web).

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaye16
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Yes, "...and web" music to my ears and my clumsy fingers.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Trofaste
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It will. See "Since the A/B test is going so well, we want to give you guys an early heads up that this will be coming to everyone early next year on all major platforms (Android, iOS, and web)."

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Maughanster_
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This sounds cool! I’m excited for it to spread to all platforms!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kj3ER06x
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This seems very cool! I am excited!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ValhalAwaits
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Amazing news, and WAY more motivating than the health feature. Can't wait to try it out!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Downwinds_

Can't wait! Especially as I'm someone who really likes to make sure I know everything before taking on new stuff.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pranshu_nigam

That seems great! So bored of the same exercises again and again.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Barytonal

Ah, this explains why my website view and my app view is so different. I'm clearly in the testing group without realising it! And yes, it is excellent, much, much better than the website way of doing things. I love levelling up and the exercises are very useful. I'm not really sure if I need strengthening and levelling though? Duolingo is still a bit confusing to use because the help files are never up-to-date... I should subscribe to help you guys :-).

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HenryLeonardi
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What happened if you've already completed the course?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheseGoldenBunz

That's cool, but can you add TIPS AND NOTES section to the mobile app please?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/electricgreen

So lovely to hear that Duolingo is taking more serious learners more seriously. These new features do indeed sound like a good idea and I look forward to them. Balancing the needs of different learners must be difficult. It is interesting to note that you say that people were abandoning the app when it got too challenging. I am the opposite. I never use the app because it is too childish for me. By that I mean that I enjoy learning purely for the sake of learning and I get frustrated with all the gimmicky things such as Xp, lingots, and whatever else that I don’t care about (as for loosing lives for mistakes - that just destroyed my moral and I kept giving up while wondering why I cannot just get on with learning the language with no distractions.) I have not touched the app in over six months but I would happily return if it were possible to disable these extras so that I could focus on learning.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fromenglish

Sounds good but what happened to the Progress Quiz. I liked them and now there is no motivation to collect lingots.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NoNoEsImposible

This sounds so good that I am sad that I am not a Web A/B tester for it! That said, there is just one thing I would request: Please call it something else. Newcomers are all ready a bit confused about XP levels, and we don't need another type of level. Maybe "skill understanding meter" or something else. =)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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NoNoEsImposible, this is actively in discussion. I agree with you. Personally, I've switched to just calling it crowns. When I want to specifically talk about how many crowns, I phrase it as # + crowns. For instance, "I want to reach 2 crowns in each skill." An idea I floated before doing that was calling them "crown tiers" since Immersion is now defunct.

Keep generating ideas folks! Staff's reading our comments. :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NoNoEsImposible

Crown tiers sounds like a fun and descriptive way of putting it. I can't wait to see what the Duo Staff chooses.

P.S. Sorry I took a little while to respond. Ever since the new forum update I haven't had discussion replies pop up in my notification bell on the upper right. I tried turning on email notifications but that forces you to follow the discussion, which I often forget to do. =)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Larisa_L
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I've been proposing to introduce some system of difficulty levels since day one. Because it's an essential part of any gamification. I'm really happy that it is finally implemented. Now there is a point for us, volunteers, to add more sentences to the skills. Previously it was all in vein as users could only see the easiest ones.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KatrinaTheLamia
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Oh boy oh boy... another thing for those of us who compulsively require ourselves to have everything maxed out and the best on this website.

And yeah, it is kind of needed. Right now I describe Duolingo as an awesome first step to knowing a language really well. Get through the stuff here--then move onto having conversations and watching media and stuff... but from what it appears with this new feature (maybe I'm a bit on the hype-train too much here)--you could possibly start doing that stuff more effectively more earlier on in your courses here.

Now... if only there were more things I could spent Lingots on... >.>' Even if it were ridiculous things like an image of a top hat or something.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IanC798471
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An approximate timeline for full roll out would be really useful. First quarter, second quarter, delayed?

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Laykilibre
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Apologies if this has been answered already; I did look, but didn't see that it had been.

With the update to the crowns system, is it the case that using the general practice option (blue oblong shape with the little barbell, when doing Duo on a browser) does not help you level up at all? I tried it a couple of times and did not see that doing that counted as any progress toward advancing any of the crown levels. So if that is the case, what's now the point of using the general practice option? Used to be that I would do the timed option as a challenge, and (usually!) to get more points more quickly.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FilipFilip17
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As far as I understand, crowns never disappear or decay. Once you reach five crowns, you keep them forever. But you should still practice so you don't forget words. See my post right above yours.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Laykilibre
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Right. Thank you. I’m wondering if the barbell is any use in a “visible progress” sense any longer (before I have earned max crowns and if I am using the new system on every device I own). It doesn’t seem to advance the crown status at all, in my experience, which admittedly is a bit limited.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SquirlRat
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If crowns don't decay how are we supposed to know when to review skills in the long term after we have got all the crowns?!

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Laykilibre
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I expect that that's where the general practice option is meant to come in useful - presumably (?) it'll choose the words that you haven't reviewed in the longest time?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/VjeranC
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This would be nice if strengthening works. Yesterday I had 20+ variations/repetitions of the same sentence while doing strengthening. I haven't seen some words long enough that I've practically forgotten them. I've completed a lesson previously and didn't see those words repeated but instead got that old sentence 20+ times.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TedSandila

Since upgrading, I can't find the vocabulary list for each lesson. I found these extremely valuable to use with Forvo for better pronunciations. Are they hidden somewhere? I will definitely regret upgrading if they are no longer available.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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I can't believe they did that ! It was the best part of Duolingo .

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/carolin_o
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Dagnabit! why don't you have some kind of sticky or button with the label "we're totally undermining the many many months of hard work you've put in over the last three years and we didn't bother telling you until now?" Y'all may be really excited, but I can't find any words to describe how much I hate how you don't roll things out, you just drop them on our heads from a great height.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/spaziotempo

Just upgraded to the new feature. I really miss the lesson preview with the words used in the lesson (or a short summary of lesson content). Now I have plenty of 0/10 and some kind of preview would motivate starting an exercise rather than going blind.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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Those are gone?! Are you kidding me?! - the grammar notes are best part of the website .

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/VjeranC
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There was a preview on the mobile app. You could see the lessons in a skill and see the words before learning it. Now you can't. Although I'm not sure if same happened to the web app.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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On the website at least, the tips and notes are still available, through the "lightbulb" icon next to the "start" button that appears when you click on a skill.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TedSandila

Yes, but the vocabulary list is gone. I would copy that to notepad before doing a lesson. When the synthesized voice was hard to understand I would refer to the list, check out what I thought was being spoken, and go to Forvo to hear some actual native speakers. This was a great help. I can't understand why it is gone.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GrahamWarr

Hang on! I just went to: https://duolingo.eu/GrahamWarr/progress/ and clicked on the Skill links, and it presented the vocabulary lists for the lessons in that Skill in my course (Italian), on a screen that looked just how it was to take a lesson pre-crowns. For gold skills, it also seems to allow me to re-do a specific lesson as well as strengthen. Perhaps it will work for you for your Russian course.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TedSandila

Yes that works. It is unfortunate many of these littlt hidden gems are hidden. Thank you!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GrahamWarr

In Italian, there are only "Tips and Notes" for about 1/3 of the 66 skills.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
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Can anyone confirm or deny that timed practice still works with this system?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Trofaste
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Timed practice works if you have all 5 crowns in a skill or you use the general practice feature.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
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Thank you for the information. I don't like the sound of this, however--I like to use timed practice to learn specific skills more efficiently with the time constraint (having to think quickly is much more conducive to retention); this will be of little value if I have to practise the skill to death (48 times?) slowly first.
Considering that timed practice is an 'extra' bought with lingots, I don't think its use should be curtailed in the way your describe.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Trofaste
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I'm waiting to decide whether I like it or not until I've given Levels a fairer trial. But at present I suspect my opinion will be in full agreement with yours.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Laykilibre
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The general practice feature also does not, as far as I can tell by having tried it a few times, give you any progress toward advancing any crown levels. Used to be that general practice (timed or otherwise) would see what I was weak in and give me progress toward re-gilding a unit that had deteriorated such that it was no longer gold, even if I hadn't selected that unit. Unless I'm missing something here, I find this very unfortunate.

6 months ago

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I'm sharing the same concern, and glad to see I'm not the only one. While I like the new update and having a new motivation to practice each lessons many dozens of times, I've been using the timed practice feature exclusively for over a year now. I used to enjoy how timed practice would prioritize lessons that seemed to be getting weaker over time, as well as the option to use the timed practice feature in individual skills regardless of that skill's level; getting a skill to level 5 before timed practice unlocks again does seem unfortunate. Now it seems like using timed practice is a trivial novelty, as it doesn't give me the same feeling of accomplishment (from increasing skill levels) as before. If there was a way the developers could rework timed practice to increase skill levels, I'd be in love all over again!

(At the very least, I'd like to see the "practice again" option appear after working on specific skills, rather than having to click through the skill tree to find my skill and confirm what I'd like to work on for each practice. It seems this small feature has disappeared with the update as well :)

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tiramisues
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Agreed so much. The fact that timed practice is only available at level 5 and there is no word list anymore lessens my initial excitement by the minute (I don't have it yet, but I couldn't wait... No I'm not even sure I want it anymore).

The timed practice is necessary to really challenge oneself and train to think fast. It is my main way of studying on Duo.
The word list is for me essential on making my own flashcards to use with Anki.

Plus, I know I'd want everything to be completed even without the timed practice only being available at the end, but if I take a longer break, I'd like to lower the skill level of one particular skill either manually or through decay, which also doesn't seem to be possible. I'd also love to just practice without the difficulty being increased the next time. I think it hinders the ability for everyone to learn at their own speed.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/therux
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Thank you for experimenting but is there way to disable it?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FilipFilip17
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I hope everybody is already aware of this, but just in case some people aren’t, you can disable skill levels. Here’s how.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BlindgoFar

So I noticed that I can't go into the subject "chapters" and see what words were in each lesson, and track my progress that way and that because of this the written information is now unavailable. I found reading those always made it easier for me to understand and complete the lessons with more accuracy. Is there a reason that this feature was taken away?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mblakesley

Great question! The vocab list isn't even visible on desktop. Would love to know the answer to this.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

I don't know why it happened but there are workarounds. Wikia has Duolingo pages with they're broken down by language and skill, Memrise has Duolingo vocab with audio courses, I'm doing the Hebrew one

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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Can't answer the question of "why" - but I hope this helps. I read someone said the notes are available in the new methood when hovering over a lightbulb image (I hope'll be able to see the old display this way- let me know if yes\no). Press the three dots next to a skill to see the notes: https://www.duolingo.eu/BlindgoFar/progress

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BrettUram
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I hate this new update. I depended on the breakdown of each section into lessons so I could drill them to make sure I was nailing the vocabulary before moving on, and now I have no choice but to move on to harder and harder things without the time I need to get a base under me. Also, being able to go back to lessons and practice without fear of losing life credits was invaluable! This new update has left me with the exact opposite of what you wanted. I’m not encouraged to come back to the app and study more.

I hope, but know you won’t, allow us to choose to go back to the old platform, but I don’t believe I have as good of a chance at solidly learning a new language under this new update. I implore you to allow people to choose the older platform if they dont work well on this new update

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gatoblanco26

The problem is not Duo trying a new system that will (hopefully) be more challenging. The problem is we can't get to the challenging stuff without wasting time on reviewing the simple stuff that we know. You need to have a way of testing out on a crown level! Or allow us to choose the level we want to work at...if it is too hard we can select a lower level. We are all self-motivated anyway...let us challenge ourselves with the higher levels without being forced to wade through the simple stuff.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bluelou3000

I have been using the crown system for a short time and a few issues have risen. First of all, I dislike that we are now unable to see the lesson content because I've been using duolingo to learn Chinese, a language I already know, and its now difficult for me to see if I'm able to test out of some of the lessons because I no longer am able to look at the content that I'll be learning. Which is another thing, it seems I can't test out of lessons anymore. Second of all, I think it is important to include grammar tips and notes on the mobile version too because I don't have access to a laptop all the time and the desktop version has important notes that help the lessons make more sense. Please allow for users to choose whether or not to use the crown system or the old system with the gold lessons. I don't believe the crown system works well for casual learners at all and the older system was honestly better for casual learners. I appreciate that you guys are trying to make harder lessons for more serious learners, but it should really be an option for users individually. I have been looking through forums and a lot of people are complaining about not being able to switch back to the old system and some are breaking their streak that is in the thousands on their account because of the new system which is really sad to see. I hope you guys take these comments into consideration and fix the issues mentioned above.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

Here you go http://duolingo.wikia.com/wiki/Duolingo_Wiki Each course is on Duolingo wikia,

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bluelou3000

Thank you, I was unaware of this. I still think they should reincorporate it back into the app though, it was much more convenient then.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

You can also test out of each section

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bluelou3000

I don't want to test out of entire sections, just specific lessons where my Chinese is stronger. Thank you for your reply though, I appreciate it.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/louie9000yt

Exactly I don't think this update is good because once you do a lesson you can't redo it and I liked to always go back to old lessons and normally I only go onto a new lesson if I get my current one correct without any mistakes 4 times in a row but with the new update I can't do it. I wish we could switch between the new and old version.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bluelou3000

I agree one hundred percent. The old version allowed me to review certain parts of a lesson that I felt were weak, or just the entire lesson, but now my options are so limited that it's really demotovating me to go on the app.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TedSandila

This may or may not work .... In a text editor type a line like this. Edit it with the name of the skill you want to redo. Copy the line and paste it over the url in this discussion post. What happened for me is the old course screen popped up and I was able to go back and redo the lesson.

https://www.duolingo.com/skill/ru/Alphabet-1

replace ru with your course name and Alphabet-1 with the skill you want to access..

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pallasraven18

I am a serious learner, and was getting frustrated with repetition of simple lessons just to keep the skills from decaying. This seems a great way for serious learners to keep going, and we all still have the practice button to practice weaker skills. Thank you very much for the update.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zanzaboonda
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Honestly, I agree. While I appreciate that people really liked the decay, I found it kept me in a never-ending abyss of the lower levels. Lol Now that it's gone, I am learning SO much more. If they do bring it back, I hope they tweak whatever algorithm they were using.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/smokey2022
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can't wait for it on the web version

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/camtuhuynh
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How and when can I get started using this new feature?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Fauzan836172

The post said it will roll out on all platforms next year.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dennis385858
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Excellent news! Thanks so much. This is so sorely needed in the Hebrew and Greek courses that I'm learning. Great work!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SamanthaFarrar

so this is going to be on the website right? sounds totally amazing cannot wait to try it out 2018

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marie-Clai133496

A great innovation!

What about all the blatant mistakes in the Irish tree, particularly common towards the end, are they ever going to be fixed I wonder?

Some of them impossible to report. When in tips and notes for example...

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StanStanDaMan

Go raibh maith agat for bringing up the question, however it remains to be seen if a fix, when accomplished is worthwhile, considering the nature of Irish in the first place.

Irish, it would seem is a language of dialects with lots of disagreement as to what is right and wrong. If you follow bloggers from Cork it would seem some think that Connacht dialect is the equivalent of Cockney - and vice versa with more informal description abounding on both sides. And then if you listen to RTE Radio na Gaeltachta you find that there are sometimes many Bearlisms sprinkled about. Then there is the question of Ulster dialect.

Keeping true to the wonderful anarchy which is Irish, I'd suppose that the top level will be to know five words for every meaning, five meanings for every word, five spellings for every meaning of every word, five sentence structures for every idea and five contradictions to all of the above.

;^)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marie-Clai133496

"Wonderful anarchy which is Irish"...

I think you may be right.

The blatant mistakes may never be fixed !

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MorganGal

sounds fabulous. How about some periodic quizzes people could take for lingots, as well.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/phopkins1
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cool, new stuff!

question: i noticed something that i thought was different.

it used to be that i would get an answer wrong, so i would try to take a minute to study the correct answer before moving on. then 5 or 6 questions would go by before the question i had gotten wrong would repeat. and my short term memory would fail.

now, it seems, if i miss something it will be repeated after only one or two questions which gives a much better chance of pulling the fragile memory up.

is this new, or just an anomaly?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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The programmers have definitely changed "something" to the review/learning code, as long with their (good) "multiple-choice answer option" modifications.

I experience sometimes that the SAME question will be repeated right after the PREVIOUS question as the next, with only one spacing in between (there is not even a different sentence / context for the same word!).

I would definitely remember if this had happend - on the web portal - quite often for ~1 year since I signed up last October.

I don't like this at all!!

It is way too easy to remember / recall and this change is IMHO for the worse learning experience of any intermediate student, who may has already completed the tree.


A (varying) question spacing - for incorrect answers - of 3(-6/7) would be IMHO ok / good.

Sometimes I am fed up getting presented the same error question the 2nd / 3rd time, so a bigger than 3 like 6 or 7 definitely helps to **be able to focus on the rest of questions (/words) in the review queue, which you *may perform much better on.

So there NEEDS to be a good balance, neither too hard, neither too easy....

..........or just (better)give the user the full power back to decide (with an additional button) on error answers, what to do exactly.
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If you are into "fully typing" on the web portal, it is easier to correctly RECALL a wrong answer with only a 3 spacing, instead of putting the question on the 6-7th place or even at the END of the question review queue.

I also do NOT like to get correctly answered questions 3-6 times in a row in a single learning session, as other users have already explained!

I can't remember right now the max count, and I am not aware if the questions were answered wrong or correctly.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/phopkins1
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Hmm, that's interesting. I can't recall being bombarded with the same question over and over once it was correct? I know that in untimed lessons incorrect answers will make the question repeat during the lesson but the interval, to me, seemed spaced a bit too far.

I recently began reading about SRS, spaced repetition system, learning method. The idea is that a new skill is repeated more often initially and over time spaced further out until is is fully absorbed.

We used to do this in music, martial arts and other training. Now I see a number of language apps are using the method.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaced_repetition

if the algorithm is dynamic and adapts to the learner it really makes a difference. I am using an app now that advertises itself as using SRS

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie
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That happened to me this very morning in my German from French tree: I was bombarded with more than half a dozen iterations of "Entschuldigung" in one single practice, most of them in the simplest form of "write this in French", even if I'm reviewing a golden, maximum level tree for the fourth time already (still needed, but for the hardest parts), and I obviously got it right each time (though frustration could have me make mistakes). Not a big deal if it keeps being a exception, but could become annoying. I do hope it's growing pains, as I love Duolingo very much.

Happy New Year to you and everyone reading.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mjaumjaupurr
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This sounds like a really amazing development. I can't wait to have the chance to try it out. Thank you, Duolingo!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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Hi Karint,

what are the plans of your team to do with the global "Strengthen skills" button?

Are you going to add some further intelligence to your code, that it can mix from multiple (selectable, e.g grammar) skills?

At the moment this button behaves really dumb:

If any skill is non-golden and you click on it, then it will select the first non-golden (e.g strength 1-4) skill from top to down in your tree.

Basically, you can't work with this strengthen button.

And it fails to (power-)strengthen multiple skills (e.g 5, 10, 15, 20) at the same time and random vocabulary.
It too much depends on 1-2/3 single skills.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_Mo_Wheeler22

I love the sound of this! I think it will really help not with just vocabulary, but with forming sentences (with I kind of struggle with right now). One other thing I would absolutely LOVE to see is more options available in the shop! I've already equipped myself with the Idioms and etc., but I would love even more of those things, such as compliments, or sarcasm, etc. But that's just my opinion! This site has helped me so much with my German!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN
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That will help solve a problem that I have when doing a skill over and that is that I remember the rest of the sentence without even reading all the words in the sentence. Does anyone follow what I am saying?

Anyway this is great! I can't wait. Thanks to everyone in Duo.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DuoIngTheThing
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Well that sounds great, but why not improve the already existing lessons? There's so many errors, bugs, lack of content, in just about every lesson that I can think of that I've accomplished so far, you name the language. Why not first polish what has already been created before adding more errors? And I've only tried three languages so far, and they all have me wishing for higher quality learning.

For starters, why doesn't DuoLingo hire real language professors to improve the lessons, as well as the theory part?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aftershocked
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Given that it's an entirely free learning platform (where you only pay money if you want to anddon'tuseanadblocker), it would be extremely difficult and impractical to hire "real language professors." How would they pay for these professionals? Would they hire enough to ~improve every single language? Would they bring these professionals in only one time, or would it be a recurring cost?

Duolingo is a free platform, and the majority of the languages are the result of hours and hours of volunteer work. To switch to something that relied on formal educators and language professionals MIGHT improve the quality (it's not like the quality is bad now--I think you're a little too fussy tbh), but it might also do so at the expense of requiring Duo to monetize the platform in order to meet such a demand.

Monetization might not seem like a big deal to some people, i.e. it would be worth it because yay learning, but the reason Duolingo is so successful is BECAUSE it is free and widely available. The moment you start pulling in more professionals who need more paychecks and thus increase the need for the userbase to pay to use the service (or at the very least, increase the amount of obnoxious ads and whatnot), is the moment when Duolingo stops being an easy, fun way for just anyone to be able to pick it up and start studying a new language.

It's more important to have good lessons in a lot of languages that EVERYONE can use, than absolutely perfect lessons that only some can use because the cost to create such lessons is too high. If Duolingo's level of quality isn't enough for you, there are other options.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dusics95
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I don't know, I'm skeptical. Especially for people who learn multiple languages this becomes even more frustrating than it already is with the "golden" bars depleting

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie
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I study only one language for now, but on three different trees, cause I've grown out of the first ones. I want to be challenged, I need to be tested on the most difficult parts.

I don't mind my strength bars going down (as long as I'm not asked to redo Basics 2 twice in ten days), what's frustrating to me is reviewing the first stages of the course, still be asked to pick the right picture for "Getränk" or "Papier" when I forget many abstract words I'd probably have already memorised, had I have to type them a tad more often. And it doesn't help me very much that the most recently reviewed skills remain golden for weeks, even though I fully know I've got to keep practicing them, only I don't know which to prioritise.

Plus I'm at a point where I prefer the general practice to working on a single skill, except when I know I'm particularly weak at it.

What I like here is the possiblity for a new or casual learner to get a sense of achievement (I've finished my tree :D!), while deep diggers can have a go at the harder content.

What do you think?

Anyway, happy New Year :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MraYLXN6
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Great news, you know, advancing along the tree is kinda hard for me as new words (in my case: spooky characters) are introduced in each lesson, so I do a lot of "strenghtening" but it's too random and it doesn't increase in difficulty, and redoing the lessons is always predictable. So being able to read/write/listen to increasingly difficult phrases with the material I have already learned (though not always mastered) is a BIG PLUS. Can't wait to get it on chinese on my android device!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Atreides1138

Allowing users to master skills in a more in-depth way seems a brilliant way to improve the courses, and I am definitely looking forward to this!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/r35ul75

Your engagement levels are dropping because there are almost no features for tracking progress. The screens you have shown provide very little actionable and engaging information. - What does 'level X' mean? - Why should I care? - How much do I need to practice to achieve 'level X+1'? - What words/sentences am I making the most mistakes in? - Why isn't there some kind of global review page? - The 7 day point graph is static - can't track progress for more than 7 days, ridiculous. - It used to at least display points for the past days on hover, not anymore, why? who knows. - I practice daily, but constantly get the same sentences - often multiple times per session. Next day? The system asks me about the same material which encourages rote learning not actual learning.

Do you even have professional linguists on your team or only the devs are responsible for guessing how to design the learning experience? It seems a lot like the latter is more probable.

Duolingo devs add 1 useful feature, remove 2 other good ones and are surprised people leave? Seriously, what did you expect?

Oh, and don't get me started about all the race condition bugs in the practice engine/UI. There are times when I can make 100+ points in under 1 minute without actually doing a single test, the system hangs and adds points like mad - so discouraging.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/roberto727

Looking at the half-full glass, it's free, which it probably wouldn't be with a lot of professional linguists on the payroll. And it's purpose is introductory. The measure of progress is the tree. When you have captured your golden owl, pat yourself on the back, and pick anothr language, or continue your studies with more advanced resources.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Fitt3
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Is this going to fully affect us how we learn? Because lets say in Norwegian course, when you do new lesson, and you get a new word, the word in lets say 60% of time is not in its original form( or w/e its called i don't know grammar), but in plural or definite form, thus making it (for me) harder to use it in real sentence.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rey_De_Corazones
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Yeah, honestly, in Spanish, I find it easier to just learn verb endings and conjugate many verbs than learn individual conjugations of individual verbs.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/b05aplmun.ca
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When you encounter new words in the wild, they will frequently not be in the base form of the word. It's helpful to be able to work back from what you see or hear to the (probable) root of the word.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cathgran

I've been using and appreciating Duolingo English - Portuguese. I hope you'll consider increasing the type size in the bottom of the page where you offer the message "You are correct" or corrections. It's hard to see the accent markings, the type is SO small!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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New Lessons Fix (User Style): https://www.duolingo.com/comment/24634938/Lessons-Userstyle-to-get-some-things-of-the-old-look-back

Staff announcement "A New Look for Lessons on the Website - Duolingo": https://www.duolingo.com/comment/24513744/A-New-Look-for-Lessons-on-the-Website


BTW: You definitely need Camilo's user script "DuoLingo Tree Enhancer" https://www.duolingo.com/comment/19654789/Userscript-Tree-Enhancer to hear the L2 target audio for Portuguese in multiple-choice and right hand side PT translations!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheDude471904

What I found out from andorid vs web version is that these levels on android go from totally easy to hard, but it gets boring completing level 1 over and over again. I get the task to connect the words of same meaning so many times... on web it is already difficult and more interesting.

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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TheDude471904,

Personally, I've opted to crown my tree with 2s to start. Then each time I review it again from start to bottom, I crown up again. Otherwise, Basics 1 has 90 lessons I think it was, before I reached 5 crowns. I wanted to switch it up, also give my memory banks time to forget a little bit to improve my memory in the long run. :)

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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This is sounds like a good idea, but will user's have the option to oppt out? (for example, if I want to re-work the tree and make it all golden- every time I must do harder stuff on skill, and I personally will feel better to master a certain level in all skills before going forward).

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dark_Fiend

Are you able to turn this on and off? Or is it just always on?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KaptianKaos8
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The teaching of the grammar needs to be improved, other than that, will this update affect what I have done so far?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shaun798350

Can you implement a 'test out' feature to progress a skill straight to Crown Level 5 if you pass? I feel like by the time I reach 'Ir Future' my 'Basics' isn't level 3, but I don't want to spend the time writing 'el nino bebe leche' a hundred times just to make the skill gold

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zheniok-2007
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Please let me know how to turn this crowns system off, and return back to the strengths bars system...

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MoPDX
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I've been a Duolinguist for all of 18 days now, and I switched to the crowns system yesterday. I think the experience of the new system depends on how we intend to use Duolingo and what we want to get out of the app.

For getting reacquainted with my native tongue (Japanese) after many decades of non-practice, I want to immerse deeply (5 crowns per category) so I will have the foundations of hiragana and basic phrases down before proceeding. It would be a shame to completely forget my original language.

For other languages, I will likely shoot between 3 and 5 crowns for a lesson, depending on how comfortable I feel with learning and retaining the material. Having the option to go back to lessons earlier in the tree--and having the lessons become progressively challenging--seems better suited to my learning goals. Only time will tell.

In words of Omar from The Wire TV show, "It's all in the game, yo."

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Harpissima
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Unfortunately, I switched to this new crown “update” this morning, still hlf asleep. What absolute bullocks!!! From having a wonderful golden tree, hard-earned in a very difficult language, I get a maximum of three crowns out of five, and a much more sensitive “Health” Btw I have hated the health feature from the very start, how is losing health, and the ability to learn, going to help you learn anything??? Anyway, I hoped to actually learn new stuff. I have tested the so-called update on two out of my ten languages, and guess what?? Not a single new thing in there, not a word. So now I can look forward to months of tedious repetitions again-again. I do not know what you Duolingo guys tested it on ... brain dead rats??? Why must a golden skill translate into two out of five crowns, when there is nothing new?? Supposedly to keep the learners at it? I should think not! I am more lokely than ever to leave. Presently in Wales, where my favourite Duolingo language is spoken, I am going to take myself off to a bookshop and buy a proper book, one that explains everything better, and lets me progress in a way that actually reflects the fact that I have a brain! IS THERE ANY WAY TO SWITCH BACK??????????????????????????? THIS IS AWFULLY FRUSTRATING!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Laykilibre
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It does seem really odd that 3/5 would be the max number of crowns to start with. They’ve explained the reason for this on another discussion thread, but I don’t find the explanation very compelling. I long ago hit level 25 in French and had been keeping it gold since, and there is just no way that I should have had only 2/5 crowns in a few skills and 3/5 in everything else. I know I’m not alone in that experience.

I have found some new material in the old units, and also some entirely new units, but not containing entirely new material. It’s not as much as I would have thought to accompany such a major structural change. Again, this is the French from English tree. For my Spanish from French tree, I haven’t noticed any new units and I think there is a bit of new material, but I may be misremembering.

For me, the now sudden uselessness of timed practice is very disappointing. I used that frequently to keep my two gold trees gold. Now it’s kind of pointless, except as a personal challenge, I guess.

And I agree that the health feature is disheartening, no pun intended. I don’t personally find it motivational so much as inconvenient. Maybe they did that to encourage people to watch more ads; when we lose a bit of health and are asked if we want to watch an ad to get it back, I bet a lot of people do. The money has to come from somewhere.

I’ve said elsewhere on this thread that I’m not prepared to throw a hissy fit and dump what is in many ways a useful and FREE service because I don’t love these sudden major changes. For one thing, I don’t want to lose my streak! Also, more to the point, I appreciate that the team puts a lot of effort into offering this extensive and ever-growing platform, and I can see that it would be very difficult to appeal both to casual/occasional users and to people who are more committed to language learning. Not sure this is the way to do it, but I personally intend to carry on, and we shall see how it goes.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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New skills or new words explains the recent French 3.0 tree update (A/B test): https://www.duolingo.com/comment/26726755/The-new-French-tree-is-here-under-A-B-test

This "new content" for French has obviously nothing to do with the "Skill crown level" update and what content you now see for crown levels (L2) L3-L5.

But maybe (hopefully) you have better luck seeing longer / more difficult sentences or old / freezed sentences for EN-FR L2 target translations which had been hold back for a while, as already explained by others, in other trees with crowns.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Laykilibre
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In this thread:

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/26739837

they mention that the exercises within a unit become more difficult as you progress from crown level to crown level. I took that to mean that there was new content - because otherwise how could it become more difficult if we've already done all the existing content, but it's now being spread out more thinly over five crown levels? (i.e., if we already had our trees gold, then there's nothing harder for us to do unless and until they add something) But perhaps that was wishful thinking, and perhaps as I said earlier I was misremembering that I'd come across a bit of new content in my Spanish from French tree since the changeover. I'll have to watch more carefully for that.

I still think it's completely silly to put someone who's hit level 25 in any language at crown level 2 for any unit in that language, but especially for easy units, no matter whether there is new content or not. There's not THAT MUCH new content. And how often do we have to repeat "Bonjour, Madame, comment-allez vous?" before we are allowed to be trusted that we get it already?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Libellule808
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Thank you. Especially if you've already studied the language for years in school, you should be able to pass the basic levels easily but now it doesn't even let you. Some of us even have minors or bachelors in a language but we like using this program just to drill some of the more advanced tenses that you might forget if you haven't studied it in a while. There's no reason you should have to be over basic greetings and such over and over.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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"Presently in Wales, where my favourite Duolingo language is spoken" - hey, good for you ! :-)

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Libellule808
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I don't get it... there's no option to test out of levels anymore? It just says begin now, I don't see an option to try to pass a level. Also, it just lost all of my progress? I had made it about halfway through a couple reverse trees and all of a sudden this crown mode just came up and all the levels show that I have zero progress. What garbage.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mike14621462
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New more difficult content is always welcome, but more typing is NOT. It slows you down, it is boring and frustrating which can lead to rushing and hitting the keys harder and causing arthritis, requiring the purchase of a new soft-touch keyboard (own story). The greatest challenge, as I see it, is to recognise what was said in real-time and to respond equally promptly. I would also like to recommend that Duo lessons ask questions that then need to be answered, not just translated. Still love the site, keep up the great work.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/waitingtofade

I get the concept. But that means there's no room for testing out of a skill, is that right? So in order to move on to the next unlocked skill, you'd have to do 200 sentences because there's no longer the option to test out. And that's frustrating. (FYI, I only read the post and none of the comments, so if this has already been addressed, then sorry for bringing it up again...)

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

I tested out and started on crowns. A few days ago i accidentally hit the wrong button and it offered to let me test again, so it's still there.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/OmarDeSant
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My objective for this weekend was to have a full golden tree and it just changed to this today for me, making everything colored again :(

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shadeytree
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is it no longer possible to "test-out" of skills under the new system? having the ability to skip sections one was already fluent with saved a lot of tedium!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EnglishTutorJay
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I've only just seen this thread but thank you so much Duolingo. I along with the majority of people on here really appreciate the hard work you are doing. I am more than happy to pay (and keep paying) for gems as a donation to you for providing us with such an amazing language learning platform. I really hope people in more disadvantaged positions get the same opportunities as I do when it comes to learning languages and you are genuinely helping them with this. Keep up the fantastic work Duolingo team!

Jay.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Steve921925

Well we still have access to the word lists?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tony979198
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The Word Lists are still under the Words menu and I can see them in Google Chrome, but I can't see them in the Android interface. From my experience, not every language has Word Lists though.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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When looking into the notes of skills (by pressing the light bulb) the work lists are gone- and it used to be for every skill in the Welsh course .

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Adam204651

Is there anyway to put an account back to the previous system. This update has completely ruined my experience. I wish this could have been something that occurred once i had finished my course because it has completely disrupted my learning.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TayMich0376

In the NEW Crown level, the option to view the words you would be learning in each lesson is no longer available, will duolingo be adding this back? It's nice to be able to learn more but I would like to see what words are being used in the training.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MiaLanguages
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This sounds really great but I just tried it and I am extremely frustrated. I had completed my French tree and it was converted to mostly level 2s and some level 1s. For Basics 1, I just worked my way through all of level 2 and half of level 3 and have not found anything really challenging. Mostly, the same three or four easy sentences get repeated in slight variations (Il est rouge, elle est rouge, la pomme est rouge - really???). This is boring, not fun!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/100Zia100

I want the old version back!!!!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SteveSauls

The new version has returned me to beginning Portuguese and is requiring many, many lessons to progress. It's a disincentive.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/b05aplmun.ca
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After you finish level 1 in any skill, you can ignore it, if you think you know the material adequately. Forever, if you want.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IvanSlachs

Please, make it possible to switch back from crown system to previous one in web version at least! And add theoretical part for android application to have it equal in functionality, thanks!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Patti309623

the email came with no explanation. i found this discussion, but it is not helping. the new exercises are so basic to get through. i am now losing interest.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tony979198
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I just takes a little time getting used to it and then you will love it. There is some tediousness at the beginning before it starts to get interesting. Just keep going and you will see! Every challenge is a stepping stone to greater success... Some of the challenges may appear annoying, but don't let those stop you from reaching your goal.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/maurac73

Just got it yesterday and I love it. I found out that I know less than I thought with the old system. Great new challenges. Good job.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jd_musicien

Lots of people seem enthusiastic at this, and I certainly don't mean to criticize without having tried.

Still, I can't understand how the old strength levels in each skill have been translated from the old system to the new one. I had taken care to keep all my units at top strength before moving on to new ones - I'm not necessarily saying this is better or worse than anyone else's way, just how it works for me - and now I see that some have a crown with a #3, others with a #2, others yet with a #1, and I have no idea how the numbers were computed.

The "Words" feature reassures me that more than half the words I know are still at top strength, so it's not that I have been slacking.

Could you please offer insight as to how the respective skill levels have been translated, please?

Again, I'm neither questioning nor criticizing, just baffled and curious.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Amir.pro
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Same here, lots of courses on my French tree where golden, now in the new system all of them are level 2 or 3! Wtf? How are they moved into the new system? Really!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jd_musicien

I just read the FAQ that has been published in French, and the general idea is that crown level 4 and 5 comprise exercises that are significantly harder than what we had had so far. Hence, our command of each skill could not be deemed to reach level 4, let alone level 5.

I'll readily admit that this explanation satisfies me.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sondalgin

today is my fist day of the new view. In a nutshell, i can say i hate it. I dont know which skill i should practice more next. Any way to go to the ex-view?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/07U
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Very bad way for serious learners to learn. In this new system, levels do not decay, which means that after you finish with a subject, the app never makes you go back to practice it. True learning comes from repetition, and one of the most important features of Duolingo was that it keeps track of my weak points, and make me practice them. Somehow, this app always becoming worse, what makes me think about alternatives.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Amir.pro
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Exactly, this is one of the most important and worst things I’ve seen in this latest update which is really discouraging...

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MaiconOliv17
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OMG I love Duolingo <3

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FabianoCar856728

If I had know you would ruin the app I wouldn't have purchased Plus for a year.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/carlosem5409

The older version was more useful. The crown vesion has more limitation once you reach the highest level of a set of lessons. In the previous version you could practice all levels within a set of lessons

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DanielKulkamp
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It does not look like the exercises get harder. They are all the same old exercises again, and again, and again. Oh, and again! And twenty times more until you get them all again, fifty times more, and then you get five crowns in a skill.

Since the crown system came in, I spent way more time in Duolingo. But I am not learning anything new. Okay, now I am "strenghening" the basics. There is a price for the obsession of everything gold.

Side note: sometimes due to connectivity problems whole sessions of boring repeating exercises don't count, and I need to do them all over again.

Well, I hope the system gets fine tuned soon.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MaryAnne993219

I don't know what everybody is complaining about. I was able to test out of all the easy stuff in French. There were 3 opportunities for me to test out. Because of the tests, my crowns went from 80-something to the low 100's in one night. I am working the bottom of the tree now and it is a little harder than before. There is new vocabulary. The sentences are longer. I am okay reviewing subjunctive and conditional. I would say, however, that I consider Duolingo more of a practice tool than a learning tool. I am concentrating on learning French, not gaming. I do like to see my crown count go up, but that is not the point for me.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SteveSauls

Well said. Besides the challenge of simply adjusting to change, some complaints are just an attempt to understand the new system. I agree that it seems now to be mostly about practice. I miss the lessons that they used to post to help you actually learn the underlying grammar. I have 100 crowns in Portuguese, but so what! Not sure that it signifies much. What number might actually constitute an accurate measure of fluency. I do like the approach, however, as it forces you to focus on details, and the audio is generally very helpful.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MaryAnne993219

I love the audio exercises because listening comprehension is a tough skill. Duo is a great tool for learning spelling including accents. As for fluency, the Duolingo term was a misnomer and a stretch. There are standard measures for proficiency in European Languages. I have been able to find corresponding tests online for French. The French want to share their language so there are lots of resources online. Unfortunately, the European system does not include Portuguese but the Brazilian Ministry of Education has a test. It would be best of you could find an unofficial test online. If you scroll all the way down on this link you will eventually find info on Portuguese. Good luck!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/b05aplmun.ca
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If you're referring to the "Tips and Notes," you can still see them if you click on the light bulb that sometimes appears on the right side of the liittle thingy that pops up when you click on the course icon.

4 months ago

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Hi MaryAnne,

There is new vocabulary.

Please don't confuse the new French 3.0 tree (A/B test) which you have got (96 skills) with the "Skill level crown" update.

This is your SHOF progress page: http://duome.eu/MaryAnne993219/progress

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zanzaboonda
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They may very well have the new French tree, which is indeed separate. There are also, in many trees, the addition of more vocabulary and more difficult sentences, etc. that had been taken out due to people leaving the app/site when exposed to them. I'm probably wording this incorrectly, but I hope the meaning is understood. An article that I posted in the forums here said that perhaps half of their learning resources had been virtually shelved, sitting unused, but that they are now being reintroduced. :)

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MaryAnne993219

Okay. I don't know how you got that progress report. Very interesting. I am here to learn French and I don't know all the in's and out's of how the web site works. I also didn't know about the other url. So I guess you are right, I am confused. I had left Duolingo for awhile because it was too easy and repetitions but I like the updates. I do harder things in other settings but come back to Duo for practice that builds confidence and is entertaining. Thanks for the info

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tony979198
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This happened to me also, BUT it does not take too long to bring the tree back to completion on level 1. I am almost done with level 2 now while working on three other trees simultaneously. The new tree has substantial improvements and some of the new units are quite entertaining, especially the one about the animals. The repetition of doing the exercises helps to "cement" the vocabulary and the grammar into memory and they don't take much time when you're fluent. You are only limited by the speed of your ability to type.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Janet149968

I hate it. You cannot redo any given lesson or level once completed. I don't want to be forced to move forward. I want to be able to repeat the sections if I feel the need.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JaneHender10

I agree!

And it is not clear any more what is being learned in any particular lesson, so it’s hard to know whether one is ready to move on or not.

We’ve lost a lot of learner autonomy, which is dispiriting (and demotivating).

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MaryAnne993219

Don't fret. I think you will see the basic stuff again. There is a lot of built in repetition in Duolingo.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sebastians.s
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wow

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/medievalmaide715

Awesome! That sounds very fun. Looking forward to it!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Fauzan836172

Sounds great! A few questions:

  • What level will those people who have completed the tree get for their skills when this feature rolls out?
  • When you 'strengthen' a skill, can the skill be made golden if you are strengthening on, say, only a Level 2 tier? Will the questions when strengthening come from Level 2 or the highest itself?
  • Wouldn't it get awfully repetitive and boring to reach the highest tier? How hard/long will it take to go to the next level?
  • I hope you are introducing all thew new words on the first level. Only the difficulty of questions should increase by level, so that the casual learners aren't missing out. But again, this could contradict the main objective of adding new content.
  • Is there any XP gain involved when reaching new levels?

Also, will this mean longer wait-time for the incubator courses to hatch and graduate from Beta?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/VjeranC
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I've just been trying it out and it was repetitive for the early lessons. I've gone through German Basics 2 and for level 3 and 4 I am getting the same sentences. It isn't harder, it plateaued. Maybe those early lessons can't get hard because they are beginning lessons.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WiseOwl1006

I love it for my Spanish, but it doesn't do it for my French and Japanese. It. would be great if it was for all languages. But overall, I love it. It increases memory and is very engaging. A big thumbs up from me! ❤️

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flyingsquidsXD

good idea ; )

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iliketacos4

do you know when

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Awesome737

This sounds amazing!!! The only problem is we have to wait a little while.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Radek0909

Is there any way to sign up for beta-tests, or do you roll it out to random users? I'd be happy to try it out, as well as any other new features you might be working on :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ycUvuSap
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Random users.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wstockall
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So, out of curiosity, will this feature add new content, or just show the more complex parts of the existing content as your skill level up?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jfndbdb
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The new skill levels feature is coming to which courses (languages) ?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/karint
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All of them! \o/

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Carmen865717

How do I continue down the tree? I only have three button lit up and can't work out how to light up more so I can move on with new things to practise.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/b05aplmun.ca
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To unlock a new row of skills (icons), you must complete ALL the lessons in ALL the skills of the row you are currently on. Make sure you have, in fact, done that.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/phopkins1
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you can also test out of entire sections, I believe

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Iwkersom
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Amazing idea. I can't wait for it.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ELI3160

this sounds GREAT I cant wait ,like LITERALLY !

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ClarkStephen
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Great news. Keep up the good work, DL. I'm looking forward to trying it out.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DamienSrb

Thank you for everything you are doing on Duolingo it is really amazing. :)

Could I bother you to have a look at discussion: (https://www.duolingo.com/comment/25616210 ) And tell us your opinion / up-vote it if you agree ?

Idea is about giving users more information regarding statistics :) Thank you for your time

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/thelawofmoses
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Sometimes this place feels like the UN with all the pinche flags. Some people are really amazing.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_lusofono_
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Sorry if this is obvious to everyone else, but does this mean that the trees we've already finished will have new content for advanced learners?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie
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Not totally sure, but from what I read above, it seems that the contributors don't have to add harder content for the update to take place, rather that it will be much easier for them to do so (or any content at all really). So fingers crossed :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IcyPolyglot

When will this be properly added? I think this is great and want to try it.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pikateru

This sounds so awesome! Keep up the hard work, I can't wait for it to come out on the website! Looking forward to it :)

-xx

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tempomark
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Ich freue mich darauf

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mortenMork

Sounds great. I a am looking forward to this feature. But I also wonder how this will affect the courses regarding their levels measured up against The Common European Framework of Reference for Languages - ranging from A1 to C2. In the Making Duolingo Blog I have seen the Japanese course rated at A1, and the new Chinese course at A2. Generally, how are courses rated in the A1 - C2 framework, and how will the new level features influence that ?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/2_Learn_Spanish

Very cool! I hope they release this on the PC version of Duolingo soon.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bensonbr01

I love this improvement. I have currently changed my minor to Spanish at my university to complement my BS/MS degrees. I welcome any and all improvements on this very enjoyable website.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/thefrankes
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Oh! This explains why my wife's UI is different than mine -- she just started with the app and started seeing crowns and levels, while everyone else in the family sees it differently! haha

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sven371881
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Spitze!!! Ich freue mich schon riesig auf diese Moeglichkeit aeltere, abgeschlossene Sprachbaeume nochmal aufs neue zu entdecken...

In letzter Zeit kommen ja generell viele tolle neue Ideen - bin begeistert von den Geschichten im Labs-Modus und auch von den neuen Podcasts!!!

Weiter so Duolingo und VIIIIIIIEEEEEELEN DANK!!!

And as I wrote the above in German - a short summary in English: Thank you Duolingo for keeping up doing GREAT THINGS!!!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tom393813

Sounds great! jut wondering when it will come to browser and iOS. No pressure, just wondering!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/amontanheiro
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Cool! I would also suggest something like mapmyride app does, for example, I would like to have all the history of my progress through this 4 years that I have been learning with Duolingo. I would like to see what were the months I stopped studying, or what were the months that I really performed well. The addition of more real life words, in particular fields of expertise as optional for the user would be also great. A coloured code for Der, Das, Die, Die(plural) would also be nice. For exemplo a green dog, a red cat, a blue child or girl. purple or some other collour for plurals. Anyway guys, thank you so much for DuoLingo.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tonyph17
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A few questions on TinyCards in relation to these improvements: 1. Will the cards be updated to reflect the additional skill levels? 2. When will the Duolingo progress be linked to the cards? I have given up trying to keep the cards golden as they stay golden for such a short time. 3. Will other language courses be added including the reverse courses not based on English? 4. Will Duolingo XP points be given for progress as they are with the new Stories (which I am loving).? 5. And finally, can 'turn off typing' be part of the settings rather than having to be chosen each time? I have given up typing answers as it takes too long and is rather fussy.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jean5429
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That's just awesome! I can't wait for these changes. I always recommend everyone to use Duolingo, and I tell them that it is not the ultimate learning tool, but definitely one of the best apps to help learning and get vocabulary.

This new option is going to increase the efficiency substantially. Thank you so much for this new feature :p

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JeffA2
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Wow. I've been hoping for something like this for several years. Duolingo is a great tool, but I always felt like it stopped being useful much earlier than necessary. It sounds like it will not be much more valuable for more advanced learners.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Seattle_scott
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I seriously can’t wait to try this. Duolingo is already amazing, and just keeps getting better. It’s renewed my interest in languages and language learning. What a great company. What a great app!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jimothey
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Ok I want it. Yes please! More typing into target language is what I want. It sounds great and I'm looking forward to it.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/eeveeluver1009

is this out yet????

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/marcosjunior101

when will this start ?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BillDe
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Will this be available also on the web based application? You already have nice features on the Android that are not available on the web application and it creates painful choices for me. It is much easier to type and work on the web based application when I am at my desk. But sometimes, even at my desk, I use the damn Android and am forced to type on it because of features only available on it. Right now I am thinking of the "Weakest words" to work on. I use this all the time when I want to review as I hope you know better than I what I need. It is not available on the web application. There are undoubtedly more things like this. Please give some attention to the web application, not just the Android.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie
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It is coming! All major platforms (Andoid, iOS, web), they said :) Expect it in a few months time if all goes according to plan: can't wait myself :)

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mandarinu
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Amazing! That's exactly why I left Duolingo: because I was rushing the tree! Thank God I realized that So I came back again. Awesome idea!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Langaugeslover

Thank you very much for your fabulous effort exerted only to help us learn more languages . Million Thanks

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AQUAMAN101

good for you

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shrekkkkk

I am so exited omagad

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sydney637152

thanks !

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rick959349

looking forward to it. I am enjoying duolingo but gradually moving forward more slowly as difficulty increases. The short stories are a welcome addition and I am finding them fantastic.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gilashoshannah
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this looks exciting, thanks, I'm looking forward to it! Enjoying these new badges too, more motivation to work at it!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vaidone
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What I also miss on duolingo is to be able to mark things (especially words) which I feel I have learned well enough already, so that they stop appearing in my "strengthen" sessions, making way for new ones instead. How can I progress vocabulary-wise if after completing 20 such skill strengthening sessions my word count goes up by just 1 single word? Being able to move to next complexity level would be extremely welcome, but being able to set my own path and pace through it would be even better.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CharlesMar432121

I have reached 70% skill, and now my achieved subjects are terminated by what looks like a little brown frog, so that all I can do now is to revise. Is this the end ?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/smokey2022
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When will this come out?

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NettoRodrigo

Super excited. Can't wait to try it!

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/John_S01

I'm on Android, but I can't wait for this to officially be released. I think it would be great for my German skills, plus as I begin Japanese.

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EvgeniyChe3
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Wanna try this. Can you enable it for me? Please! Or tell me how to turn it by myself...

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Junia_D
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This idea of skill levels does sound great. Unfortunately, I must not be one of the test accounts since my Android device doesn't show anything like this. But I would love to be on the list to help with testing it out.

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Madhav_Malhotra
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Early this year as in this spring?

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lawrencems
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I am beyond excited for this. Thanks!

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ronkisimo
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any updates of when it might come out?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kate_Birch

Can you add me to your test group please?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dlhgl
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I got the crowns yesterday in the evening and so far I like it.

One suggestion though: My polish tree was fully golden before I got the crowns. Now with the crowns it looks colored as if I had just started to learn polish. And it is difficult to see which skills have the fewest number of crowns so that I could continue to learn there. What if skills with the same number of crowns would have the same color? E.g. skills with 5 crowns are golden (as it is now), skills with 4 crowns are silver etc. This would make it more obvious where it is best to continue with learning and would also be more motivating because the progress would be more visible.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GrahamWarr

I had completed the Italian tree, and when I was cut over to crowns, I had 1 crown in each skill. Every skill was also "Completed 0/N", where N was the number of lessons in the next level.. Did you have some skills with more than one crown when you were cut over?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dlhgl
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I am on level 24 in Polish now (with more than 27,000 XP) - so most of the skills of my Polish tree have 3 crowns, some have 2 crowns. As you are on level 16 (max 10,500 XP if I remember correctly?) maybe this explains why you have 1 crown in each skill?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GrahamWarr

Ah, good, thanks! I'm encouraged that the transition has recognized various experience levels by skill. Yes, I'm Level 16, and only completed the tree 3 weeks ago, so I must be getting the basic level of recognition of that with 1 crown in each skill. I thought everyone started at that, but I guess it must start at zero for a new course.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GrahamWarr

Thinking further about your suggestion to have different colours for different numbers of crowns, a more flexible solution would be to have a sort feature for the skills. The skills are always presented in course order. However, if you could sort by number of crowns, then this would provide the visibility of the skills that you want to work on. Alphabetical sort order of skills might also be useful. In the pre-crown world, I used to skim through the tree to look for non-gold skills to strengthen, but again, a sort by gold/non-gold skills would have made it much easier.
The progress info at https://duolingo.eu/GrahamWarr/progress/ prompted me think of this, as the skills there are presented by current strength. It actually shows the 100% and non-100% skills sorted, so it's easy to see which ones need strengthening. You can't sort the skill list there, but it happens to be in an order that's useful for me. The info there also gives the date when the skill was first completed. Although you can't sort on it, if you could, it would give the course order for me because I worked through the tree from top to bottom.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TedSandila

There is something to this suggestion. I miss the ability to return to a previously completed lesson to confirm spelling or usage. Only going forward does at some point accomplish this, but it is not at my direction. In other words the learning I need doesn't happen when it is on the "top of my mind" - when it is important to me. This is very frustrating.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DanielePrisco17
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I hate it.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GrahamWarr

I've just pushed 2 of my Italian skills to Level 5. So far, my experience is not that the lessons at higher levels got harder, they simply got more repetitive. Also, the number of lessons required to move through the 5 levels seems to be N, N, 2N, 3N and 5N, for a total of 12N lessons, where N is the number of lessons to get to Level 1. I thought that I'd worked pretty hard over 60 days to complete all 405 lessons in the course, and was planning to ease off somewhat, doing just strengthening exercises on weaker skills. However, if the lesson algorithm above is correct, then it seems that I'm now facing completing 4950 lessons to get to Level 5 in all 66 skills. I'm feeling tired at the thought of it!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Laykilibre
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That’s similar to my experience. Those of us who liked to keep our trees gold are now going to have to put in a lot of effort to get them back to gold. And I find that it’s taking more time to get the same # of points per day that I had been getting. I had worked it out at the beginning of the year that if I did an average of 56 XP per day in Spanish, 5 days/week, I could hit level 25 before the end of the year. (Doing other languages the other 2 days/week.) This would be fine if the new material + process combo was going to help me learn better and retain more, proportionate to the effort needed. Not sure that is going to be the case. As you say, it is super repetitive and although some of it is helpful and I could use the repetition, a lot of it frankly is not.

This obviously is an early assessment and I’m not ready to bail yet. I don’t intend to give up my 3-year streak just because I’m feeling grumpy about unexpected changes on a FREE and overall helpful service, but I may redistribute some of my time elsewhere if these changes aren't worth putting in the extra effort.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TedSandila

Yes. I may be making a mistake by returning to skill number one to make my skills gold again. This is just tedious. Perhaps I should be jumping in somewhere in the middle of the tree where the repetition would be of more value. I too am not sure these changes are worth the SUBSTANTIAL extra effort. Perhaps I need a tutorial on how to optimize my use of the new system. I have very limited time available for my language building. Like you, I am unwilling to bail at this point, but I am affected by the law of diminishing returns.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Laykilibre
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I am jumping into the middle of the tree for strengthening and doing a lesson or two of four or five different units each day, vs starting at basics 1 and working downward. My rationale is that one doesn’t use language in real life the way the tree is structured (“all adjectives, all the time today! And tomorrow, etc.”) so I’m trying to be a bit more “natural” about it. But still - I’m not going to be willing or able to put in 5x my previously planned amount of time, every day, so it’s just going to be a slog.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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That's smart, but how is that different than using the already exist "strengthening button" ?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Laykilibre
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The strengthening button does not give credit for any progress toward increasing crown levels. Used to be I would use it to re-gild anything that had deteriorated from gold back to blue (red, green). Now it's just XP, basically.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TedSandila

Yes! I imagine this system does improve the usage metrics (which was a stated objective of the authors, whose work I really do appreciate). That said, to make lesson one gold took me two very frustrating days entering repetitive answers that I had mastered a long time ago. The only new learning I gained was some additional familiarity with the Cyrillic character positioning on my keyboard. My xp score however is "going through the roof."

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ChileJam

I love the new Skill Level feature! I kept redoing the old version (just to stay in practice) but was bored. This new feature has reignited my love with Duolingo!

Thank you!!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tonyph17
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Hi Karin

You continue to receive comments as more users have experience of working with the Crowns feature.

Many suggestions have been made and others have expressed concerns. I suggest an update from yourself is long overdue so that users know more on your current thinking.

I am running both systems on Android with different user names and I am thinking that at present I prefer the old system rather than the new.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bohuslav1
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Does this mean you know how to access the old system? I would like to get back to it.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PikaSaiyan3
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I think that there should be like a more compressed Feature to the skill level concept. As seen on the Screenshots, doing a skill 40 times is a little too time consuming. I think that the repition, variating on the skill, should be lengthened, but, the amount of times you should repeat the skill you should lowered.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Seth1825

I hate this change. I want to switch back to the way it was. Figure out how to make it so I can switch back!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/accidentalist

Agreed with this. The previous way was much simpler to know my deficiencies per stage. I'd rather have it how it was.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dise6
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This popped up just as I was midway through working several lessons I needed to strengthen. Suddenly couldn't work out what I had left to do, so I didn't much appreciate that.

But having said that, this looks good! Also I like that the tips are readily available on a button on the pop up so you can quickly look at them.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FsqBrDe
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Is anyone from Duo even reading what people post here?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/O1crisp
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But you sent me right back to zero and using the old methodology in OS. I liked it the way that it was and this new one makes me go back to square one, whereas your previous system did test me back and they were harder the longer I stayed on.

Sometimes it is better to branch out rather than moving everyone back. But what do I know, I have only been a marketer for 30 years and launched a business worth $100M.

You have a great tool and I have been at it straight for 2 years. This upsets me with no internal notice on the app that this is about to change!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/biscuitamericain

I asked this question when I got put in the newest A/B. got no answer ... hope to get some this time as crowns raise it again for me: my theory is that you guys have a system that considers golden badges to be a mark of progress. so when half my gold went away went back to the top and worked my way down. just about got caught up, and now this very similar event.

I am NOT complaining about the gold evanescence. I would like to know if the best learning experience is to go back to the top, and flip the colors again, or if not , what?

I am a pretty happy camper, but a little direction would be a help

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zsuzsi97194

If you can get correct answers all the way through and it is EASY,i in other words you can do it quickly and you know that you know it, don't worry about gold. If you find yourself searching for words, spelling etc and are NOT using hints, then do it again until you know that you know it.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DaveNewhouse

My thought exactly. I like starting at basic if you will. I can fly thru the easy but the typical things I struggle with I get wrong and can redo and I see it solidifying already and I just started the crowns today. Likewise I think I will use the Greg hullander (name) approach and not rush thru but keep things solid gold from top and not move forward until that is achieved. it may take another 301 days but I will learn!!!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GubetP
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I LOVE the new skill levels! It is much more engaging, although at first it's a little discouraging to have all your gold gone and back to full colored icons ; )

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GubetP
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How many skill levels are there?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/plesio_saurus

Just got this feature and I instantly disliked it

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kid_of_old_man

I hope my comment will be seen as constructive. Personally the only feature I care about is that simple streak record, from which I know how much time I've put into it, and measure how much more it would take for me to learn better. This is really useful. The rest is merely visual effects to me, irrelevant I'd say. For example when I first got started I attempted to learn French simply because I wanted to sing some French songs sung by Hélène Ségara, but before long I found French too difficult to actually speak, then somehow I switched to German and stuck to it ever since on Duo. I know even by now I still can't really pick up French using Duo for its new features without getting myself ready for putting a considerably large amount of time into it. The improvement I'd like Duo to have is good network connectivity/functionality, because I sometimes get very poor internet which may cause Duo's web pages failure to load, even more annoying is that when I finish a course, I click the javascript button which gets stuck there, and becomes unable to be clicked again for any retry, it may be stuck forever or if it is the last sentence I completed correctly, it will redirect to the home page for time out or so and as if I've not done the course, which is very frustrating, and sometimes I even lost my streak because of this.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KjaKovov
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Hi :) I love the new design and everything, but I just wanted to ask, if there is any highest skill level that I can reach. Or will I just continue to infinity? Thank you very much. Carol

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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I think there are 5 crowns ('levels') for each skill.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/louie9000yt

how can I redo level one.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Amir.pro
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AFAIK, it’s not possible! This is one of the bad aspects about this new system.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tolunayo
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Actually I discovered a way to do this, well at least through Browser on Desktop:

When you click the button for any course Duo brings to a unit of that topic. Your browser URL will show something like this:

https://www.duolingo.com/skill/en/Religi%C3%B3n/3

Simply take out /3 (or whatever number you are given)

https://www.duolingo.com/skill/en/Religi%C3%B3n

and you will go back to something similar to old page. If the unit of the topic is active you can repeat that unit. You can even test out of the topic by using the upper right button or appending /test to the URL:

https://www.duolingo.com/skill/en/Religi%C3%B3n/test

So, all this seems to be presenting pretty much the same what we had in a different way. Previously each unit had its own individual strength bar. So, you make one pass until all units are at 1 bar at least and then again until all units are 2 bars etc. But going directly to the page using the URL above you can strengthen your own chosen unit (if it is not blocked by the system). What is new is that you now do more typing style exercises if you have advanced enough.

Note: The URL I've posted is from the last topic of English from Spanish course. I imagine it is similar for others.

Note2: Test out does not seem to work correctly even if you have finished it all without losing hearths.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wstockall
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If you use the general "Strengthen Skills" option (the dumbbell icon) you will continue at your current level. There doesn't seem to be any way to do this for a specific skill at the moment.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mhobaugh

I don't like crowns at all! They are seriously causing me to loose interest and I am thinking of quitting and abandoning my 663 day streak and 2195 lingots. I hate to quit now but that is how much I dislike the change.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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Got the change yesterday: Really wishing you'll bring back the word lists for the skills, I was told by a moderator you can do "1 Crown" level and not continue to 2nd level if I choose not to- but I don't see how that's possible.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tony979198
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Grammar Notes? Did you see that little light bulb in the lower right hand corner of the pop-up menu for the lesson? That's where you find the former Tips and Notes, and perhaps they are even better than ever.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

It doesn't work in the app, isn't available. I didn't even know there was notes until skill 5, level 4

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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There's a roundabout on that- go to the browser and use this link (other users can do the same- just change the name). You can see the grammar notes of each skill when pressing the three dots next to it (link might not work if you haven't finished the tree or have under XP of points) : https://www.duolingo.eu/TeribleTeri/progress

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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LOL I edited that part out a few seconds after realizing I only saw the change when practiced- on my phone :-) Still wishing the words for that skill be back. Thanks anyway.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wstockall
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If you want to practice at the current level you have to use the general "Strengthen Skills" dumbbell icon. It isn't possible to practice a specific skill this way, but you will be able to practice all the skills at your current level.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jd_musicien

You can also:

  • go to the "Words" page (not sure of the English wording, I use the French version),
  • sort the list by ascending strength so you get the weakest words first,
  • select one word, your choice,
  • the sidebar on the right displays information about that word: translation, strength... and skill in which it features,
  • click the name of the skill.

You'll get to the page that starts reinforcing the skill.

After trying it out right now, however, it doesn't seem to strengthen the skill the way it did before the change.

(Also, there's never been any guarantee that the word you selected in the first place will be in a question, so it's entirely possible that it will remain weak afterwards.)

Dev team, any comments about that?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TedSandila

This may or may not work .... In a text editor type a line like this. Edit it with the name of the skill you want to redo. Copy the line and paste it over the url in this discussion post. What happened for me is the old course screen popped up and I was able to go back and redo the lesson.

https://www.duolingo.com/skill/ru/Alphabet-1

just replace ru with your language and Alphabet-1 with the skill you want to revisit.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JesscooperW

Already really missing being able to select which lesson I want to do or revisit, especially when I've completed a lesson but don't feel confidant with the specific content covered. I've was really enjoying/relying on the ability to repeat lessons until I felt like I had a better handle on what was covered before continuing, but now im being forced to (what feels like) skip ahead to the next lesson. Is there any chance of this feature returning? It feels like I'm being rushed forward.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JRH1000
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I lost all my golden skills I earned after one year of playing and have to start over almost entirely.. where's my progress?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tony979198
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You still have the same amount of knowledge and now you have the golden opportunity to add more to it... The number of crowns reflects your mastery. Set yourself the goal to acquire a certain number of crowns per day and some day you should again have a golden tree.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/b05aplmun.ca
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Your progress is being displayed differently than it used to be. It is not gone.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aliendriver

Sorry, but I'm giving up Duolingo. This change makes impossible to choose what to learn. I can't even make notes anymore. And yep, I could only learn with making notes by hand. Moreover this app was just perfect for a dictionary. When abroad just looked up the necessary topic, and tada, there was everything. Thanks for the downgrade.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mollusc94

I was sceptical but I actually like it!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Felix14578

I must admit I was a little shocked to see everything changed without warning... I received none! But its OK. The chunks, at least initially, are smaller/ quicker and after all it is all about learning...

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/b05aplmun.ca
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This change was announced in the forums several months ago. In the comment at the top of this discussion, in fact.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sid_Chitnis

How many skill levels are there? I have just hit level 4 in a couple and I wanted to know if this is unending, or I have an end to work towards.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zanzaboonda
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I believe there are 5 crowns available for each.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sid_Chitnis

Thanks - good to know

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexandraManou0
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under the previous system, we could revise the skills that lost their all-gold colour. Problem was that the sentences were repetitive and did not cover the entire skill content. Under current system, however, one is required to redo the entire skill, which often comprises as many as 16 lessons! This is boring, off putting and demotivating. It is also not clear what the numbers 1, 2 and 3 mean. If 1 is the weakest and 3 is the strongest, one still has to repeat them all anyway. It gets even more cumbersome when someone is trying to revise many languages instead of just one. I don't see this as an improvement, in fact I find that it makes me practice less than before.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sonkido
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If it would have been done right, I suppose I'd like the change, but it's confusing and I can't see where I need to work. And where are the grammar notes? This added to the countless ads now donning the app, makes me think it's a sell-out. I hope I won't have to uninstall and end my long relationship with Duo. :-(

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/b05aplmun.ca
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Click on the light bulb icon that sometimes appears when you open a skill to see the tips and notes.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MysteMyste

I am really enjoying being able to go deeper. Thanks.

5 months ago