"I think my translation is right."


December 28, 2017

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What is the purpose of the possessive particle at the end of the correct version of this sentence?


Here 的 is not a possessive article, it is a attributive marker. Actually, you can consider the "possessive particle" usage as a special case of attributive marker. For example, "我" = I (nominal pronoun), "我的" = my (adjective pronoun). That is the usage of attributive marker - making the word / phrase before it an adjective.

We can look at the examples below:

红(色)是一种颜色。 Red (color) is a kind of color.

红(的)汽车 red car

这辆汽车是红的。 This car is red.

You can see that the word "red" is used as a noun in the first sentence and an adjective in the second and third sentence. If you look the word "red" in the dictionary, you may see that the word can be both a noun and an adjective. Does it really reflect the internal logic of the language? I'm not sure. But it still works.

But in Chinese, 红 itself is not a real adjective (and actually not a real noun too). You need a mark to make it an adjective. You can guess what this sentence means:


This very awkward sentence means "This car is red" too. But the "red" here is the noun "red", the concept "red". That's why "我觉得我的翻译是对" is wrong.

Other attributives, including those who don't look like adjectives at all (like the complicated example below), need the attributive marker 的 too:

a method (that simulates light propagation in media (whose optical properties are variable in space))

(在 (光学性质在空间中可变) 介质中模拟光传播) 一种方法

See, those lengthy clauses are treated as adjectives too. If you replace the content in the bracket with any other adjective, it is still a valid sentence.

In an adj. + n. phrase, the marker 的 can be omitted (as in the second example). The rules are complicated but still similar to English. You can find a detailed description here: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/25480888


That is a great explanation, Warren! Robert, it may help to look at it this way: the final noun is omitted becsuse it is understood. You can say "我觉得我的翻译是对的翻译" meaning "I think my translation is the/a right translation." In that sentence, you can see that 的 is needed in 对的翻译 to make 对 an attributive/adjective describing 翻译. However, we don't really need to say "translation" twice, in English or Chinese. That sentence is a bit wordy. You can leave out the second "translation" and it's still understood that that is what we're talking about. In English that becomes "I think my translation is right." In Chinese that becomes 我觉得我的翻译是对的。 对的翻译 becomes 对的 because 翻译 is understood.


By 'possessive particle' do you mean '的'? This small character may actually express tons of meanings in Chinese. In this sentence, it forms an adjective ("对的"=correct) and has nothing to do with a possession.


Gee whiz. Sometimes I think one needs to be an experienced student of languages to get this stuff. And why didn't Duolingo explain this from the off before giving the impression it was a possessive thing (which mysteriously gets left out sometimes for the heck of it) ? Us poor souls simply wanting to be able to read and hopefully eventually converse in a different language, in order to stop the mind degenerating in retirement, (learn something new 'they' say) seem to be on a hiding to nothing. Well off to inwardly digest what an attributive is (heck I need a second or two to recall what an adjective is and how it differs from a verb) and try to work out why it's optional sometimes. Maybe a trip to the local hostelry will help. Thanks though.


Help. Since when is 对 not a stative verb?


Why 是 rather than 很 here? Is 很 valid?


No because 对 is one of the adjectives in Chinese where it's either true or not. 很 still has a meaning of "very" in a sense, and even though usually it doesn't really mean anything, it's still treated like a comparer, but you can't use "very" with 对, so you have to use 是对的.


我觉得我翻译是对的。I thought that the 的 was optional. at least when used as a possessive marker. Or is this a case where a native speaker would always add it? 我翻译 or 我的翻译?


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