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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SteffiBookworm

The meaning of colours in idioms?

Hi,

I recently remembered a lesson about the meaning of colours in French and when I searched for some articles I came across this one:
Colourful speech
https://www.languagemagazine.com/colorful-speech/

"... The seeming arbitrariness of many color idioms is underscored by the fact that in other languages these colors have different associations and are used in idioms with completely different meanings. When Korean speakers say that someone has a “black heart” they mean he has an ulterior motive — nothing to do with the cruelty idea it connotes for us. A thriller novel in Italian is un libro giallo (“a yellow book”), unrelated to the scandal-mongering notion of our “yellow journalism.” In English, “he is blue” means he’s sad. The German translation, however, er ist blau, means “he is drunk.” We use a “white lie” to avoid hurting someone’s feelings. For Turkish speakers, this is a pembe yalan — a pink lie. Korean speakers go one step further with the “lie” color idioms. They speak of “a red lie,” which means a lie which everyone knows is a lie.

A lot of French color idioms are already familiar to us (film noir, la vie en rose, carte blanche) but did you know rire jaune (“to laugh yellow”) is to give a forced, insincere laugh? How about faire quelqu’un marron (“to make someone brown”), which means to cheat on someone? Here’s a question: is inexperience blue or green? The French say être fleur bleue (“to be a blue flower”) for naïveté. The Japanese seem to side with the French — they say an inexperienced person has “a blue butt.” We English speakers, on the other hand, might say “she’s so green” about the unseasoned colleague. That is, unless we add “with envy,” in which case we are talking about something else entirely. Of course, “that company is very green” probably refers to being environmentally aware. ..."

Maybe this is just interesting for you to read or can you give more examples about the meaning of colours in your language and / or the language(s) you learn?

Have fun :)

December 30, 2017

30 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zirkul
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We English speakers, on the other hand, might say “she’s so green” about the unseasoned colleague.

For what it's worth, it is the same in Russian. Granted, I am biased (these are the two languages I am fluent in), but this makes perfect sence to me: young vegetation is bright green, and then it turns duller or begins fading. I am puzzled as for what the connection between "inexperienced" and "blue" might be...
On a separate note, "blue" (or rather "light blue" - Russian has two common words for "blue", "голубой"="light blue" and "синий"="intense blue") is a common slang for "gay", which has been in use for at least half a century.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SteffiBookworm

Thanks :)
In German - my native language - it is the same for green, and I think also for the same reasons, we would for example say "Er ist noch grün hinter den Ohren" - he is still green behind the ears - to express someones inexperience. Whereas "blau" blue - and it was new to me that Russian differentiates between light blue and dark blue - expresses to be drunk in German "Er ist blau" - he is drunk. It is also used in "blau machen" - to take a day off without apparent reason of being sick nor having asked for permission ...
I have found an explanation - not sure if it is correct - that both stem from the process of dying clothes blue, which required large quantities of urine - and in order to get it the workers drank beer, so they got drunk. The day after dying the clothes they had a day of - remember, they were drunk ;-) (http://www.farbenundleben.de/kultur/blaumachen.htm unfortunately this page is in German only)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GrandaUrso

Don't forget in English if someone is "Yellow" Then that means they're a coward. If they're "Seeing Red" They're angry beyond reason and if you're feeling gray, you're unwell!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SteffiBookworm

Thanks, I was not aware of that meaning of yellow. But this meaning of red is the same in German: "to see red" - "rot sehen".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hermesianax

This is a very interesting topic! In Dutch, we say "hij ergert zich groen en geel", which means "he is annoyed green and yellow". These colours might suggest some kind of sickness and reminds me of the English expression "he is worried sick", but it is interesting to observe that one can get "sick due to irritation".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SteffiBookworm

I am glad you like it :)
There is a similar one in German, but without the connotation of sickness: "sich grün und blau ärgern"


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tiramisues

Interesting discussion!

I'm German as well, so I don't have much to add. I see you also added "blau machen" in the comments.
I also thought of "schwarzfahren" (literally, "driving black"), which means to take public transportation without paying.

I just googled and found this link about english colour idioms: https://www.myenglishteacher.eu/blog/colour-idioms-list-and-their-meanings/


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hermesianax

"Zwart rijden" is the same thing in Dutch!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SteffiBookworm

Brilliant, thanks for the link! I've found a list on Geolino - a German language magazine targeted at children and teens - with explanations of the origins and meanings of German (and some English) idioms: https://www.geo.de/geolino/redewendungen?letter=A


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hubinou

In French, when you say about an older person

  • il est encore vert (he is still green)

you mean

  • he is still vigorous

this may also - but not always - relate to his sexual life. Henry IV nickname was "le vert galant" due to his numerous female conquests.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/duonks

Interesting... in Spanish if someone "está un poco verde" it means they're not quite ripe or up to the task yet, and a "viejo verde" is a "dirty old man"! :-)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/psionpete

There is no logical reason for the meanings of colour words when used in idomatic phrases. It is more a culture thing in most cases and that is the way with idioms.

Blue is sad in English but also it can be used to describe something that contains a lot of sexual content e.g. a blue film. In America A Blue book is one that contains the value of second hand cars.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/garpike

'Red lies' in Korea suggest a logical reason...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SteffiBookworm

You are right, there is no logic involved. I'll therefore update the topic of this discussion to "The meaning of colours in idioms?"
Thanks for pointing this out :)


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