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Leaving off the ne in “ne.... pas” constructions

I have noticed in a few more casual/ or conversational contexts that the ne in ne..... pas type constructions is dropped. I noticed it today when I was playing Animal Camp (my settings are set to Canadian French now) and it was also mentioned in a podcast I listen to. Can anyone provide some clarification on this? Is it slang? Or only used in some contexts? Merci!

January 23, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

yeah it's very common to drop the ne in colloquial talk

January 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/El_Gusano

I remember I was going to be late to a meeting with a French friend of mine. So I texted him telling him I would be a few minutes late. He texted back, "C'est pas grave." So while I still use the ne...pas constructs, I actively listen to French speakers to learn better how to speak French normally, and drop the ne when possible.

January 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Fauzan836172

The others have provided some really good answers! I will just add on that I translate 'pas' (literally) into 'not'. It helps me make sentences without the ne.. .

January 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Camilla-danesa

I'd like to know too. I remember people in casual conversation doing this years ago, and it was not correct then, even if used often.

January 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/territrades

From my experience, I would juge that is handled comparibly to the contractions in English - you do not find can't, shouldn't, won't etc. in formal English speech either. In French the point of leaving the ne out is maybe a bit more colloquial, but not much.

January 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda

It's a very common feature of spoken language. Listen to TV or radio or pop music and you'll hear it all the time (like this https://youtu.be/K3HeR6AuT5Y ). It seems almost universal to me and was used in the classroom when we were learning French at school.

Duolingo can't make up its mind about colloquial language - it rejects this but then actively teaches far less acceptable constructions in English that would actually make a fool of the learner.

January 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/MissSpells

Merci! Duolingo not being able to make up its mind about colloquial speach is so true!

January 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

actively teaches far less acceptable constructions in English that would actually make a fool of the learner.

such as?

January 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda

I've seen it actually ask the user to input 'y'all' whilst rejecting correct English. And there's plenty of just plain gibberish 'English' programmed into some of the courses - nonsense constructions.

January 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

"y'all" is not taught, it is just an alternative translation

I agree that there are some unnatural sentences but that it would "actively teach less acceptable constructions"?

January 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut

I agree with the others, I've definitely heard it, I've even used it, but it's pretty colloquial. I wouldn't say "je sais pas" in a formal or exam situation. I've also heard it used poetically - with the disclaimer that I have no idea if it's more common in Canadian French, I'm sure Céline Dion even has a song that's called "Je Sais Pas"? Okay, forgive me if I've misremembered, but the phrase je sais pas has these lyrics in my brain: je sais les hivers, je sais le froid, mais la vie sans toi je sais pas.

For me it would fall into the category of know it exists, use it in informal situations, be wary of using it in formal/exam settings. I'll be honest and say I don't know if it's equally applicable for all verbs, but for savoir and être, I'd say it's fairly common.

January 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/MissSpells

Merci! Here is Celine! Http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nzHyupgS6nM. I looked up this song after reading your comment and now I think it is one of her most beautiful.

January 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/LeeBrownst1

Pas mal!

January 24, 2018
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