https://www.duolingo.com/Woof.

#2 Japanese Word of the Week

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こんにちは!Inspired by Super-Svensk's Swedish Word of the Week I've made a Japanese word of the week!

Japanese word: 裏庭

Kun'yomi: Uraniwa

On'yomi: Ritei (rarely, if never, used)

Strokes: 裏 = 13, 庭 = 10

English Translation: Back yard; rear garden

Listen to a native speaker: https://forvo.com/search/裏庭/

1st word: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/25972933

-Woof.

January 29, 2018

11 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/testmoogle
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Sentence with 裏庭: 私たちは裏庭い小さな小屋を建てた。

Even though it came from Jisho this time, your Japanese sentence has a 誤字. Currently the sentence doesn't make sense.

And I don't think 裏庭 is ever pronounced using the on'yomi of the two kanji.

Also, it'd probably be better change the translation of 私たち to "we" rather than "I". ^^

January 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/BJCUAl
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Concur on all counts. Also, い should be changed to に.

January 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/testmoogle
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The typo I was talking about was that い. Is there another typo in the sentence besides this? ^^

January 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Woof.
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どうもありがとうございました! (⌒▽⌒)

January 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
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'庭' is 9 strokes, not 10.

January 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Arachnje
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January 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
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That's interesting; Wiktionary disagrees, and says that is 2 strokes. I always assumed the first stroke here was the same as the second stroke of '乃' (which is definitely 2 strokes).
Do the Japanese add an extra stroke? Lots of Chinese sources (e.g. here, here, here and here) say it has 9, which was also my earnest belief when I made the above post.

January 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Arachnje
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Interesting indeed. I too was under the impression that the stroke number for the same character was universal, but apparently, that's not the case. After seeing your links, I did a quick search, and I found that Japanese and Chinese have a different number of rules for writing:

http://www.jvgruat.com/Chine/strokes.pdf

That might've affected how the same character is written in the two languages, but that's just a guess and I don't have enough knowledge about calligraphy to comment any further.

January 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Faisane
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If you watch the kanji's animation on imiwa?, there are only nine strokes - I take it the zig-zaggy thingy in the inside-left counts as two, though? Edit: looking at Arachnje's gif below, it's like I suspected: that element is in fact two strokes. Thanks!

January 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Arachnje
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The animation alone can be misleading to the learner. I don't have imiwa? but I use a Japanese app called 常用漢字筆順辞典, and this gif from the app shows the stroke order animation for 庭 with the stroke count in the top panel, and it's 10.

An animated gif image showing the stroke order of the kanji 庭 (pronounced “niwa”). The counter in the panel on the top is counting the number of strokes being drawn

January 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/No--One
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I thought that I'd add that the character inside the enclosure is a 常用漢字 on its own and is composed of seven strokes.

廷 (テイ, meaning "court")

January 30, 2018
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