Things That Should Be Introduced Earlier (imho)
I am 90% done with the Spanish Tree, and as i look back and analyze concepts and topics that really helped me become way more conversational than I was, there are several distinct areas of study that were key for me. Below is a list of study topics (in no particular order) that I think Duo should introduce way earlier than they do in the current spanish tree, but this is just my opinion...
IR + a + Infinitive (express future tense without knowing future conj.)
Acabar + de + Infinitive (to express simple past, just having done something)
Estar vs. Ser (Present and Past and clear distinctions of when to use one verb vs the other - very common for everyday communication)
Verb Gerund and Past Participle Forms (very common for everyday communication)
Object Pronouns (painful but very necessary to sound like you know what youre talking about)
Volver + a + Infinitive (to express having to do something again, etc)
I am curious if anyone else agrees with these, or have others to add.
100% agree. (I finished tree in January). One glaring error is that DL neglects verbs that behave like gustar. They are used constantly. I am talking about: faltar, doler, molestar, parecer, preocupar, quedar, sorprender, caer bien (mal), encantar, importar etc. The indirect object + verb + subject formation. There should be a section exclusively devoted to this.
Just thought of another useful one: Tener + Que + Inf / Hay + Que + Inf.
I wish the verb tenses were more spread out in general. You get to the last 25% of the tree and it's a pain for me, honestly.
Agree. I posted something similar when I finished my tree -- the past and future verb forms, use of direct and indirect object pronouns, and various prepositions that are taken by verbs are all mysterious and unpredictable without some kind of explanation.
There is a lot of missing material. IMO, DL should have a Spanish language expert review the course. It seems to me that the crowd sourcing works well for at least the first half but not so well toward the end.
After finishing my tree, I did a quick run through of the Spanish Dictionary course, and not unlike DL, it too seems to lack a lot in its last half. So it's not just DL that might be a bit incomplete. And certainly, it cannot be easy to put these kind of courses together for the net and do it in a way that is complaint free.
I believe the English language should be introduced before any of this tiki-tocki nonsense.
I agree. I think that the english language is vital to becoming fluent in multiple languages.
Very good observations! I like your ability to analyze :) I have been through the tree many times now. I choose what I drill and practice one...mostly verb conjunctions because the others are the ones that lose strength--direct objectives, infinitives and always science, business, medicine!
gracias. i know I am going to need to really drill on object pronouns. I am still confused with all of the le/se/la/lo/les business. I feel so dumb when it comes to that.
We all go through that :-) Give yourself time and it'll eventually start to click.
Thanks. I was studying it on another site and it is becoming clearer. At least I have the rule for when to use se down. If two L pronouns (lo lo la...etc) end up next to each other the first one gets converted to se to avoid pronunciation problems. Also le and les replace lo/la and los/las when something is To someone or To Them, I think... lol. Need to continue studying it. When I read spanish that contains object pronouns I am pretty good at working out the sentence, but when given english to convert to spanish, that's where I am still a little weak. Also it depends on the sentence complexity. Short simple sentences arent really a problem in either direction.
Same here. That is the area that still stumps me... I have hope of getting it just like I finally got the este, esta, esto, etc business! Ha, ha!