"We are in the big restaurant."

Translation:Wir sind in dem großen Restaurant.

March 20, 2013

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Is there a reason here why I shouldn't use "im" instead of "in dem"?


From Wiktionary (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/im#German): "... im is usually not applicable when the definite article has an indicative function. This includes contexts in which English would use a demonstrative pronoun (“this” or “that”) but also some others."

So I guess the original sentence is "Wir sind in dem großen Restaurant", which can be translated as "We are in the big restaurant" ("over here") or "We are in that big restaurant". Here just the former translation is used.


I'm still confused. Why can you use "im" with "wir sind im kleinen Garten", but not with "großen Restaurant"? Are the articles not both having indicative function in both sentences?


No, but don't forget that the adjective still has to be großen instead of großes.


what is the reason behind that


The reason for the -en ending instead of the -em ending on the adjective gross is because gross follows a version of the "der" definite article. In this case gross always takes what is called a weak ending, either -e or -en.


But why not the -e ending here (große)?


Why 'in dem' and not 'im'? Someone else asked it already but got no answer.


"im" is correct, too.


Guys! Why does it have to be "Grossen", since Restaurant is neuter? Grossen would be akkusativ to male nouns. Right? I'm confused.


dative, weak inflection, neuter, singular ---> großen


Has the weak vs strong inflection been taught on Duo till this stage? I don't get it. Großen can either be Male>Akkusativ or Plural>Dativ, in this case it appears to be neither with Dativ>weak inflection (I don't get the weak part).


Why are we in the dative case here?


"Wir" is the subject of the sentence and so "wir" is the nominative case. "sind" is the verb and has no case. "im Restaurant" or "in dem großen Restaurant" is in dative.

As long as you have a sentence with the verb "sein"(to be) without any preposition or other verb, then the case is nominative for all words. Here you have the preposition "in". "in" can lead to accusative or dative (Wechselpreposition). The sentence does not describe a movement --> dative: Wir sind in dem großen Restaurant. Wir sitzen in dem großen Restaurant. With movement we use accusative: Wir gehen in das große Restaurant.

In case we walk around in the restaurant, we use dative because there is no movement in relation to the restaurant. We stay in the restaurant = no movement. --> Wir gehen in dem großen Restaurant.


Wir befinden uns in dem großen Restaurant?? Is that incorrect?


It is correct German.

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    What's wrong with, "Wir im großen Restaurant"


    Is 'wir stehen im...' okay as well?


    I don't think so. ... stehen = to stand ; I prefere sitting in a restaurant instead of standing. (=Ich bevorzuge es, im Restaurant zu sitzen anstatt zu stehen.) ;-)

    Duolingo like to be strict, here it is the best to choose "sind" for "are".


    I'm a bit confused. I translated as : Wir sind in dem Restaurant Großen. Isn't this acceptable?


    No, the adjective "großen" must go before the noun not after it.


    Before, not after


    My apologies, must have been a senior moment!! I will correct.


    ok, so is it right that, the sentence is in "Dative", therefore we use "grossen", but "restaurant" is in neuter, so "dem" should be "das"?? Please comment.


    ok, so is it right that, the sentence is in "Dative", ~ yes and no. The sentence contains "in dem Restaurant" and "dem Restaurant" is dative. A sentence does not get one case, but some words of a sentence get cases.

    A short visualization: Ich gebe dem Opa den Wein. (I give [the] grandpa the wine.) "Ich" is in nominative. "dem Opa" is in dative. "den Wein" is in accusative. Both words "Wein and "Opa" are masculine words in German.

    ..., therefore we use "grossen", ~ We use "großen" because of Dative - right. :-) You will need to have a look to grammar tables. There are more facts than only the case and the word gender which rule the endings of the adjectives and articles. Have a look there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_adjectives

    but "restaurant" is [] neuter, ~ yes, it is.

    --> so the neuter article "das" turns to "dem" in dative.


    I was mis interpreting the rule a little bit. Thanks for clearing it out.


    Bitte. Gern geschehen.


    Can someone explain why it is "großen" and not "groß"? Is "großen" dative?


    Yes, you have to conjugate the adjective based on the noun's grammatical gender and the case in use. Restaurant is a neuter noun (das Restaurant) and so "großes Restaurant" in nominative becomes großen Restaurant in dative. If the adjective comes later (The restaurant is big), the adjective remains in its original form (Das Restaurant ist groß).


    why not ins?


    Has the weak vs strong inflection been taught on Duo till this stage? I don't get it from the comments below. Großen can either be Male>Akkusativ or Dativ>Plural, in this case it appears to be neither with someone below commenting "Dativ>weak inflection" (I don't get the weak part).


    Seeing all these rules I think I understand some things about tge past


    This language needs a serious uodate for this century


    I hope they will come up with a major update for this century containing more of these rules

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