https://www.duolingo.com/JanisaChatte

ČESKY ZA TŘI MĚSICE

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ČESKY ZA TŘI MĚSICE: to je můžne nebo to není můžne?

Ahoj! V neděli končila jsem český strom. Začala jsem tenhle strom v pátek, osmnácti listopadů. Učila jsem se český vždy dni protože bylo to pokus. Ale opravdu vůbec můžu mluvit českou? Můžete mě to řikat. Můj pokus byl učit se český za tři měsice, ale beze níc, jen se českem stromem.

Ted’ pišu post bez Google Translate, protože chci končit můj pokus: mohu nebo nemohu psat český po tři měsice? Myslím, že mohu, ale hodně špatně a pomalu. A jen s mou knihou (notebook) slovů a vetů. Ale, na konce stromů, psala jsem přilíš malo. Tak, ted’ to je težkeje psat.

Jak jsem učila český? Všchny dni učila jsem jednou nebo dva úkoly a udělala jsem mnoho chybů. Také, mám knihu čestinů a knihu českich pohadů, ale ještě nic nečtela. Protože chtěla jsem delat pokus jen s českem stromem. Jeden den, chci vyrabit systému: ják se učit jazyky a mnoho. Také jsem divala na jeden malý česky film: pro kozu. Po nekteré dni ják učila jsem český, pomalu zamilovala jsem s českem. Je to hodně hezký jazýk!

A ják je můj český ted’ ? Znám že mluvit nemohu; vůbec nemám s kým mluvit. Ale poznávám česky. Mohu slyšit vetu a znat co je, ale není vždy tak. Také, už mluvim rusku proto český není tak težký.

A ted’? Co budu delat? Chci se víc učit a čtat a divat na filmy. Také se chci učit mluvit česky.

Prosím, pomozte mě s mém neúspěšněm textem. XD

(Very literal translation, just in case I really screwed up the Czech part: Hi! On Sunday I finished the Czech tree. I started this tree on Friday, November 18. I studied Czech every day because it was an experiment. But can I really speak Czech at all? You can tell me that. My experiment was to learn Czech in three months, but without anything, only using the Czech tree.

Now I’m writing this post without Google Translate because I want to finish my experiment: can I or can I not write in Czech after three months? I think that I can, but very badly and slowly. And only with my notebook (where I wrote down useful grammar bits, new words and funny sentences). But at the end of the tree, I didn’t write down much. So now it is harder to write.

How did I learn Czech? Every day I finished one or two skills and made many mistakes. I also have a Czech textbook and a book of Czech fairytales, but I haven’t reawd anything yet. This was because I wanted to do my experiment using only the Czech tree. Someday, I want to develop a language learning method: on how to learn languages and how to learn a lot. I also watched one short Czech cartoon, about a goat. After a few days of learning Czech, I began to fall in love with the language because it’s so beautiful!

And how is my Czech now? I know that I can’t speak it; I don’t even have who to speak with. But I can recognize Czech. I can hear a sentence and understand what it’s about, but not always. I also already speak Russian, so Czech isn’t that hard.

And now? What am I going to do? I want to learn more and read and watch movies. I also want to be able to actually speak Czech Please help me correct my text full of mistakes XD

And now… the things that I can’t possibly say in Czech… yet…

You’re probably wondering why I decided to learn Czech in the first place… I didn’t really have a good reason for starting. One evening, after another traumatizing Japanese lesson, I wondered why I never tried to learn a slavic language. I didn’t have much interest in Polish and learning Ukrainian is almost like learning another dialect of Russian. The only one that was left was Czech, so I thought I’d give it a try. I have a few Czech friends that I can now impress with my new skills, but I didn’t even think of them when I started to learn. Now that I kind of know the language, I a good reason to visit Czechia someday.

Overall, I really liked the Czech course, especially the beginning, where there were tips and notes for practically every skill and new vocabulary and grammar was introduced slowly. I also liked the structure of the course: the skills weren’t too long and grammar wasn’t all introduced at once. The beginning of the course was a good introduction to the language and even if I didn’t already speak a language with genders and cases, the first few skills would still be capable of making things clear for me.

For the most part, I enjoyed the type of vocabulary that was introduced. It would have been nice to learn more country and language names, maybe not in a separate skill, but more spread out, so that it doesn’t get boring to learn them. I would have also liked to learn a bit more common words and phrases in the first skill or maybe somewhere early on in the course. I found it strange that the word for “sorry” wasn’t taught until much later on in the course.

My favourite parts of the course would have to be all the funny, but at the same time somewhat useful sentences. These made learning more fun and easier to remember certain things. I also liked that there were relatively few really boring and basic sentences such as “X is a country” or “I have a X”. Other courses I finished are full of such sentences which make learning quite monotonous.

There are some topics that I think should have some more lessons or skills. A lesson or two about school supplies would be nice. I also think that the “arts” skill should be split up into a few skills and that there should be some more content added. Maybe there could be a skill that introduces fairytale vocabulary, another one for music and a third one for other types of art or something like that. It would also be very helpful to have at least some tips and notes in the later skills, especially the grammar skills. A conjugation table and a short explanation of the grammar bit would be enough, so that the learner at least somewhat understands what they’re learning and when to use the new grammar.

I also really enjoyed my experience in the Czech forum ;) Everyone here is so helpful and my questions got answered almost immediately. Overall a very pleasing experience, especially compared to the users in the Fr-Ru discussions….

Děkuji všem kdo mě pomáhal!!!

11 months ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/FrenchCamille
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Amazing! I am extremely jealous of you! I wish I was that level in Czech! Do you have any tips? How long did you spend Learning Czech each day?

Congrats! I respect you

No seriously, this makes me want to drop everything and learn Czech. It's such a beautiful language and is definitely on my to do list.

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JanisaChatte
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Děkuji!

The way I usually learn is by reviewing until every skill is gold and only then going on to something new. I decided to try something different with Czech: only did 2-3 reviews per day before moving on to newer content. I also write down every new language bit I learn. At the beginning of the course, I wrote down practically everything I saw in the lessons and the tips and notes. As I progressed in the course, I started just writing one form of every new verb, noun and adjective I saw. I almost didn't write down any sentences in the second half of the tree, only a few that very either really confusing or funny/useful.

My original plan was to do a skill a day, but then there was a week or two when I was quite unmotivated and also didn't have much time, so I had to change my goal. On average, I did around .5-3 skills a day, depending on their length and my motivation.

I found the charts in the tips & notes to be rather helpful, so I would suggest to copy those out into a notebook you use for Czech. Writing new things down helps me, not sure if it's the same for you.

So, do it, drop everything and learn Czech!! You won't regret it :D

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FrenchCamille
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Oooh it's so tempting but I am doing a challenge which requires you to stick with one language for a full month (level 25 in a month). I'll do it in April though.

Overall a very pleasing experience, especially compared to the users in the Fr-Ru discussions….

Really? How so?

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kacenka9
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Hat off!! I think it is fantastic. Yes, you made a bunch of mistakes but everything made sense and all you need is to travel to Czech Republic and get exposed to the language to catch up on the little things. Amazing start.

I have 'fixed' your Czech text, if you wanted to see where you made mistakes. Please be aware that as always, there are often different variations of how to say things and I just picked one of them.

Congratulations! I wished I could learn languages this fast, this well!!

Ahoj! V neděli jsem skončila český strom. Začala jsem tenhle strom v pátek, osmnáctého listopadu. Učila jsem se česky každý den, protože to byl pokus. Ale opravdu, umím mluvit česky? Můžete mně to říct. Můj pokus byl naučit se česky za tři měsice, ale bez ničeho, jen s českým stromem.

Ted’ píšu post bez Google Translate, protože chci dokončit můj pokus: umím nebo neumím psát česky po třech měsících? Myslím, že umím, ale hodně špatně a pomalu. A jen s mým sešitem (notebook) slov a vět. Ale, ke konci stromu jsem si zapisovala méně. Takže, ted’ je psaní těžší.

Jak jsem se naučila česky? Každý den jsem se učila jeden nebo dva úkoly a dělala jsem mnoho chyb. Mám také knihu čestiny a knihu českých pohádek, ale ještě jsem nic nečetla. Protože jsem chtěla udělat pokus jen s českým stromem. Jednou chci vyrobit systém jak se učit jazyky a jak se toho naučit mnoho. Také jsem se dívala na jeden krátký česky film o koze. Po několika dnech, kdy jsem se učila česky, jsem se pomalu do češtiny zamilovala. Je to velmi hezký jazyk!

A jaká je má čeština ted’ ? Vím že mluvit nemohu, vůbec nemám s kým. Ale poznávám češtinu. Slyším větu a vím o čem je, ale není to vždy tak. Také už mluvim rusky a proto čeština není tak težká. A ted’? Co budu dělat? Chci se víc učit a číst a dívat se na filmy. Také se chci učit mluvit česky. Prosím, pomozte mně s mým neúspěšným textem. XD

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JanisaChatte
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Děkuji! At first I was expecting Czech word order to be as free as it is in Russian, but apparently that's not the case. Word order in Czech is something I still don't fully understand; in some sentences it seems that anything is possible, while in others it appears to be more strict.. any tips ?

And thanks for the corrections! It will definitely take a while to get a better grasp of all the grammar bits and endings

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/svrsheque

unlike czech, russian does not have enclitic pronouns. you guys can stick your pronouns in all kinds of places. in contrast, our HO, MI, MU, SE, SI, TĚ, and TI are among the obligatory enclitics that almost always belong after the first unit of meaning (second position) in the clause. so we can't have any of the following:

  • Ho dobře znám.
  • Ho znám dobře.
  • Znám dobře ho.
  • Dobře znám ho.

while only

  • Dobře ho znám.
  • Znám ho dobře.

are correct in standard czech. of the six orderings of these three words, four are wrong!

the complication for students is the optional subject pronoun here, especially when combined with duo's unfortunate decision to offer the nearest correction when rejecting an answer. the following are correct sentences:

  • Já ho dobře znám.
  • Já ho znám dobře.

while

  • Já dobře ho znám.
  • Já znám ho dobře.

are best viewed as incorrect, unless the speaker fancies themselves a poet.

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Maughanster_
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Congratulations on completing the Czech tree! Czech is a beautiful language, and I wish you luck with writing. :) I have trouble writing in most languages, it's a skill that takes a while to acquire, and I hope you can get there soon, and I wish you luck with the rest of your Czech studies!

Best Regards,
Maughanster_

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JanisaChatte
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Děkuji :D

Unfortunately writing isn't a skill that one can easily acquire while doing a Duolingo course...but I did learn enough of Czech to want to continue on my own now :) Good luck with your language studies as well!

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WIZARD2.0

You should not stop learning. You need to improve on grammar

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WIZARD2.0

But you are really really good in just 3 months

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/svrsheque

Janisa, you did good, and that means we must also have. your czech writing may not be perfect, but i had no problems understanding it. my russian was never this good, and i studied it much longer than three months :-) we can feel proud about what you accomplished with our little tree.

your pointers for rebalancing and further growth of our stromek are helpful. if you are interested, you are welcome to participate in our upcoming tree 2.0 planning, both in our chat and on slack.

the missing tips will just take some time to add. i usually have to feel like writing them, to avoid letting them feel like a chore.

thanks for giving our course such a determined try and sharing your insights. i hope we will be able to extract even more. zatím ahoj!

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JanisaChatte
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I was very impressed with the amount of effort put into the creation of the course by the contributors. You guys made it fun to learn the language :)

I probably wouldn't be able to help much with the planning of content, but I can share some learner feedback and struggles :D

The tips definitely don't need to be long, or it gets quite overwhelming to read them. Or you could just have links to grammar explanations instead.The links provided in some of the skills didn't work :(

Děkuji za stromek!

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JanLyko
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Napadlo mě, že pro tebe možná bude užitečné srovnání s výsledky jiných studentů češtiny. Takže jsem se týden snažil srovnat volbu slov, skloňování a časování ze tvého příspěvku s českým projevem svých známých, kteří se česky učili nebo učí.

A myslím si, že tvoje čeština je po třech měsících lepší než čeština důlního inženýra z Rovníkové Guiney po dvaceti letech v Čechách. Tady je třeba dodat, že ten kluk mluví třemi africkými jazyky a výborně francouzsky.

Přijde mi lepší než čeština bilingvního Američana (po rodičích mluví stejně dobře anglicky jako francouzsky) po dvou letech práce v Praze.

Přijde mi srovnatelná s češtinou Angličana, učitele angličtiny na české střední škole po deseti letech v Čechách, s českou manželkou a bilingvními dětmi.

Na druhé straně jsou tu studenti češtiny, o kterých můžu říct, že je jejich čeština přirozenější než tvoje. Ale ti mají všichni jedno společné: Vystudovali v Čechách střední nebo vysokou školu. V češtině.

Takže si myslím, že jsi ty tři měsíce využila skvěle. Gratuluju a držím palce v dalším studiu :-)

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katred2
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Congratulations! I've stalled on Czech, because I do so much of my work on mobile devices, but I've really enjoyed what I've done of the course so far.

Good work and very thoughtful commentary.

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JanisaChatte
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Děkuji! I usually prefer using the web version, so I get more challenging exercises :) Hope you enjoy the rest of the course when you get to it :D

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Chrobie
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Gratuluju! Přeju ti hodně štěstí ve svých budoucích studiích!! Удачи!

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JanisaChatte
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Děkuji! Štěstí tě také z ruskou!

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/endless_sleeper
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Tobě také hodně štěstí s ruštinou ;)

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DropTherapy

The funny thing is that Czech is the most useful language I could possibly learn at the moment, not because I'm in Prague right now, but because my friend's grandparents don't speak english very well.

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LuxovaBl

In czech: Je to skvělý výkon, i když děláš dost chyb. Je ale fakt, že čeština je velmi složitý jazyk a naučit se jej za pouhé tři měsíce je podle mě téměř nemožné. Vždyť i mnozí rodilí mluvčí češtiny dělají mnoho chyb. Hlavním problémem češtiny, je to, že pro jednu myšlenku nebo pro jeden objekt máme více výrazů, to je asi ta největší překážka. Také skloňování a některá písmena s háčky, čárkami a kroužky jsou, - řekněme - prevíti. Musím ale zopakovat to co mnozí přede mnou už řekli : čeština krásný, bohatý jazyk plný možností. A proto také zbožňuji sloh a literaturu. Rozhodně Ti přeji si někdy přečíst českou beletrii nebo beletrii v češtině, protože to stojí za to (pokud je překladatel dobrý) . Také doufám, že alespoň z Google překladače pochopíš, co se Ti vlastně snažím říct.

In english: It's a great performance, even if you make a lot of mistakes. But the fact that Czech is a very complex language and I can learn it in just three months is almost impossible. Indeed, many native speakers of Czech do many mistakes. The main problem of Czech is that for one idea or for one object we have more expressions, that is probably the biggest obstacle. Also inflections and some letters with hooks, commas, and rings are - let's say - overwhelmed. But I have to repeat what many have said before: Czech beautiful, rich language full of possibilities. That is why I also love style and literature. Definitely I wish you some time to read Czech fiction or fiction in Czech because it is worth it (if the translator is good). I also hope you understand at least Google translators what I'm trying to say.

9 months ago
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